Which TurnTable - 50K range?

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Calvin said:
PC,

While I really appreciate the time you took to make your post, a 150K MSB digital system (not including amps, speakers, etc) with a 10K turntable doesn't make any sense. If anything it should be the other way around.

If it makes you feel any better if I get the TT it will be connected with Shunyata Alpha v2 power cords into an Everest.

PS: The audio system area is off limits to everyone but me and one friend whom I trust. There is imaginary yellow tape around it - to enter the space even for cleaning would be a crime. My wife only listens when I listen.

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Mikado463 said:
In the world of commercial sewing that's cheap ! Buddy of mine does custom embroidery and has three machines, well over 100k
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I know... people think we are crazy, but my wife has two machines which she uses once in a while... while I listen to music every day :)...
 
One table that I have not seen mentioned is the Döhmann Helix One Mk II. Some interesting technology and in the $50k range. Well reviewed by Fremer too.
 
Calvin said:
PC,

While I really appreciate the time you took to make your post, a 150K MSB digital system (not including amps, speakers, etc) with a 10K turntable doesn't make any sense. If anything it should be the other way around.
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Hi Joe,

No worries, Joe. You should do whatever will make you happy and provide the most fufillment. :)

Another table you may want to consider is the AMG Viella V12...I've heard one a number of times and was very impressed.

Another simple, straightforward design capable of exemplary performance.
Viella V12 Turntable | AMG – Analog Manufaktur Germany
 
Honestly, all BS aside, I personally believe that the differences in high end brands is more splitting hairs then anything else. They are all pretty darn good. The difference from one $30,000 amplifier to another is almost inconsequential. I do also believe synergy is a real thing in that one component meshes better with certain other ones.

I believe a lot of ones enjoyment comes from intangibles; the look and feel, the feeling a particular component gives you. What I call the warm and fuzzies.

I think this will hold true in high end tables as well. Splitting hairs... but these type of tables, as compared to something like the Rega for example, takes more care and abilities in setup. Fine tuning to extract that extra performance that is paid dearly for. In this regards your dealer is extremely important. You have the luck of having an analog guru in your back yard (many of us do not have easy access to good audio dealers). What you should seriously consider... that is easy, what does Mike carry (Kuzma, TechDAS, Avid HiFi); did I miss any (I purposely left VPI off). :)
 
Mike said:
This is why a lot of suggestions won’t work for Joe, my customer. He will require expert setup which takes time and we only setup the tables/arms/carts we sell. Our turntable setup is very involved. We use a variety of tools including digital microscope, fozgometer, the proper jig, digital tracking force gauge and more. We also tweak the VTA for personal preference. It’s also important to recheck the setup after a certain amount of time and usage to confirm the settings and recheck the tracking force and anti skate. Proper turntable setup is no small matter. Even simple tables like a REGA require proper setup. It’s a real expertise we have, mainly because we are analog nuts stuck in a digital world! LOL.



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Mike
Now compare that set-up with a MSB Reference DAC. Inset a power cord, insert a Ethernet connection, connect two XLR cables and possibly one umbilical between DAC and power base. Press play. :D
 
Reality is that there are quite a few good TTs under $50K. There’s been really good feedback and insight provided here. Impossible to get full alignment here or any site on what to buy but certainly plenty of perspective has been provided.

- TechDas
- Kuzma
- AMG
- SME
- Dohmann
- Brinkman
- Rega
...

Very good options. Happy shopping and keep us posted Joe!
 
The flattening effect of vacuum hold down of the TechDAS should be taken seriously and is easily heard in most systems and not to forget the air bearing. It floated my boat!

Mike
 
still-one said:
One table that I have not seen mentioned is the Döhmann Helix One Mk II. Some interesting technology and in the $50k range. Well reviewed by Fremer too.
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Indeed I second the Döhmann Helix superb sonics from the one I've heard-I would place it above the higher end Brinkmann's/AMG as mentioned previous.

YVMV.

BruceD
 
still-one said:
One table that I have not seen mentioned is the Döhmann Helix One Mk II. Some interesting technology and in the $50k range. Well reviewed by Fremer too.
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I'm not sure if I've listened to many of the tables listed in this thread but I have listened to the Döhmann Helix One Mk II and it produced some of the best sound quality I've ever heard. It was part of my favorite system at AXPONA 2018.
 
Mike said:
This is why a lot of suggestions won’t work for Joe, my customer. He will require expert setup which takes time and we only setup the tables/arms/carts we sell. Our turntable setup is very involved. We use a variety of tools including digital microscope, fozgometer, the proper jig, digital tracking force gauge and more. We also tweak the VTA for personal preference. It’s also important to recheck the setup after a certain amount of time and usage to confirm the settings and recheck the tracking force and anti skate. Proper turntable setup is no small matter. Even simple tables like a REGA require proper setup. It’s a real expertise we have, mainly because we are analog nuts stuck in a digital world! LOL.



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Mike, as his dealer, what table are you recommending to him?
 
Puma Cat said:
Ha ha! I'm having a deja vu, all over again.

Here's my thoughts about it: The Rega Planar 10 is one of the best-performing and sounding turntables available at any price. Sure, its certainly possible to spend more money on a turntable, but....would that actually result in more musical enjoyment than from an Rega Planar 10? And if so, would that tiny, incremental degree of enjoyment (if one could actually quantify it) bring value for money from a TT costing 8X as much? Maybe, maybe not.

Look, I'm a guy, too, I like gear as much as any guy. Guys are hardwired to like "gear", "parts", "stuff", hardware, tools, etc. Some guys spend their disretionary income on cars, bikes, motorcycles, cameras, Leicas (see the distinction? LOL), some guys spend it on audio "gear." I get it.

So here's my thinking: if you want a super easy set-up TT that is also reliable, durable (not the same quality attribute as reliable), accurate, quiet, and...fantastic-sounding, that is a also simple enough for your wife to also use, get a Rega Planar 10. Call it a day.

If on the other had, you want something that is "ultra-trick", and requires the use of $600 protactors to setup, air pumps, bladders, expensive footers, constant monitoring and fiddling because its it fun to play with, then get a Super Spinner Plus Reference Signature Supreme, Platinum edition.

Just sayin'. :P :D
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A Rega 10 ! One of the best performing TT in the world .. :)
 
Mike knows his vinyl for sure, but as you asked, here is a great unit that I heard once and spoke at length with the designer about.

LumenWhite Mystere TT, $60K. All out assault on the SoTA.

Lumen White

http://lumenwhite.com/pdf/lumenwhite_mystere_brochure_2015.pdf

review: Lumen White Mystere Reference Turntable

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" while i don`t want to warm up the old analog-versus-digital discussion here again, there is no denying the fact that never before have i heard this fantastic recording reproduced even close to the emotionally gripping, musically fluid and dynamically supercharged way in which the "mystere" presented it - whatever the digital source, - format and cost involved in those other auditions. "
"the lumen white 'mystere' is one of the three best turntables, which i have had the privilege to listen to. visually it easily is the most attractive of the three....a veritable analogue dream-machine"
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50k is a lot for turntable+arm+cartridge, leave 10k aside for a top cartridge, 40k can get you an AF1(not premium), or an AF2premium, or a Da Vinci EQ, or Brinkmann Balance, or Vertere RG1... with one or two very good arms. AF3p is not even qualified here.

Forget about Rega or Technics no matter how good they sound, they are just not in the price range, just my 2cents
 
I will toss this out for your consideration... I have owned an AMG Viella for several years, and recently added the 12JT tonearm. My former neighbor had the same, and with a Benz LPS cartridge. All this would not be in your range, but AMG supercharged the Viella with the new Forte turntable. My neighbor auditioned it at home and found the improvements to be very large indeed so made the upgrade. Put a top cartridge on there, and isolation base it would be in your price range (forgot if your price included cart or not.)

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