The Intellectual People Podcast - Amir from Audio Science Review (ASR)

The problem is that many of us are familiar with Amir and his biases, the most problematic of which is that he doesn't know when he is wrong. One glaring example was when he "measured" a whole bunch of different cables and found minimal differences (and drew the obvious conclusion), and then Colin Gabriel pointed out that he wasn't measuring long enough lengths of cable.

GIGO, regardless of what is in between.
 
$200K on measurement equipment. THAT'S his main hobby - measuring stuff and arguing online. Perhaps not so much audiophilia, nor music. I've spent the better part of 200 large in my system; it yields constant & enduring joy. Music sessions are the main event of each weekend, every weekend. I'm a subjectivist as it pertains to audio enjoyment.
 
I like measurements, and even Amir in person is quite different than people probably think, but ASR basically comes down to Harman method/spinorama with DSP right, everyone else wrong. It's to the point now that confirmation bias comes in - if it measures well, they subjectively like it no matter what. See the Benchmark amps.

I have disliked Revel speakers for 20 years, so what do I know.
 
Amir definitely qualifies as a music lover and has an interest in good sound, but whether it's his engineering background or something else he has lost his way there.
 
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I have disliked Revel speakers for 20 years, so what do I know.
They do so many individual "things" right, but somehow end up not really sounding involving. One can admire them but not really like them (at least that is my feeling/opinion).
 
Julian Hirsch lives again. I borrowed a couple of his top rated dac. Both Chinese. They might measure very well but were not high end sound quality.
 
Amir definitely qualifies as a music lover and has an interest in good sound, but whether it's his engineering background or something else he has lost his way there.

His engineering back ground lends nothing to the art of audio designing , any quick audio tech conversation with Amir exposes his lack of audio knowledge, so bench results he can provide audio insight not much...! ..
 
They do so many individual "things" right, but somehow end up not really sounding involving. One can admire them but not really like them (at least that is my feeling/opinion).
Yep. To say personal sighted experience preferences with speakers can vary quite a bit (vs "trust ears/just listening") might be understating things.
Audio Musings by Sean Olive: The Dishonesty of Sighted Listening Tests
AES E-Library >> The Influence of Hearing and Sight on the Perceptual Evaluation of Home Speaker Systems
Ironically, Amir does no blind testing. In fact, he maximizes pre-bias by measuring first.:)
Btw, it's my understanding one can drag their own speakers (within reason) to Harman and compare vs theirs or X. For a fee of course.
Find what ones "ears/just listening" really prefers. YMMV. :cool:

cheers,

AJ

ps kudos to Jason, building quite a library
 
Yep. To say personal sighted experience preferences with speakers can vary quite a bit (vs "trust ears/just listening") might be understating things.
Audio Musings by Sean Olive: The Dishonesty of Sighted Listening Tests
AES E-Library >> The Influence of Hearing and Sight on the Perceptual Evaluation of Home Speaker Systems
Ironically, Amir does no blind testing. In fact, he maximizes pre-bias by measuring first.:)
Btw, it's my understanding one can drag their own speakers (within reason) to Harman and compare vs theirs or X. For a fee of course.
Find what ones "ears/just listening" really prefers. YMMV. :cool:

cheers,

AJ

That article quotes J. Gordon Holt from an interview where he said:

“Audio as a hobby is dying, largely by its own hand. As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio lost its credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for example) that had legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal. [This refusal] is a source of endless derisive amusement among rational people and of perpetual embarrassment for me because I am associated by so many people with the mess my disciples made of spreading my gospel. For the record: I never, ever claimed that measurements don't matter. What I said (and very often, at that) was, they don't always tell the whole story. Not quite the same thing.”

Also from same article on the question if the high-end audio has lost its way, he says:

“Since the only measure of sound quality is that the listener likes it, that has pretty well put an end to audio advancement, because different people rarely agree about sound quality. Abandoning the acoustical-instrument standard, and the mindless acceptance of voodoo science, were not parts of my original vision.”

This can be surmised as: DBT do matter, measurements do matter, but at the end of the day “good" sound is whatever one likes. For many folks in this forum that means just trusting their ears (measurements and tests be darned); yet for others (including a growing number of younger audiophiles) it means using tests, measurements, and their ears.
 


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Hear from the heart, noise- free. :heart: :band:
 
That article quotes J. Gordon Holt from an interview where he said:
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“For the record: I never, ever claimed that measurements don't matter. What I said (and very often, at that) was, they don't always tell the whole story. Not quite the same thing.”
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It is worth noting that Stereophile has continued to support this opinion
 
It is worth noting that Stereophile has continued to support this opinion

That’s true! See the latest VAC 170i IQ review. The reviewer loved it. The measurements were...uhhh...interesting. I LOVE it!!! It sound like Heaven.


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Stereophile is one of the few hifi mags worthwhile IMO, as they cover all the bases , opinionated reviews typical of today , really mean nothing to me , how many , We plugged it in , the heavens opened and I’m sad to see it go can we read , thats pretty much it , they are not even providing or have great internal pics ( most dont ) nor can they be as entertaining as Fremer happens to be , so forget about it ...!

Stereophile Rules ...!
 
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