u-sound
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interesting.
so does he use two t2 and another powerconditioner for the source?
does he connect the monoblocks direct to the t2 with the t2 umbilical?
do you know what pre he does use?
Shunyata Typhon T2
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interesting.
so does he use two t2 and another powerconditioner for the source?
does he connect the monoblocks direct to the t2 with the t2 umbilical?
do you know what pre he does use?
Puma Cat
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Yes, a T2 for each amplifier, so two T2s. I imagine he simply plugs the amps into one of the AC outlets on the Typhon T2, but he didn't specify. The amps also have dedicated Altaira SG hubs, one for each amp.
He uses an Everest for all the other components. The Everest is sitting on it's own Artesania rack, and the source components are also on their own Artesania rack. Knowing him, I'd presume multiple Altaira hubs for the source amplification components, also. Omega PCs and CGCs all 'round.
Nagra HD dual-mono preamp with external power supply.
My friend doesn't mess around...
u-sound
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well, the t2 has optional umbilical cables, thats why i asked. would be interesting how he choosed the connection and if the positive results were with or without them.
tha nagra hd pre is an incredible machine, i had one for the last 2 month and made the very very stupid move to sell it last weekend...the music is boring now. i do try to buy it back now....
does he use the altair for the hd pre as well. there is a grounding post on the power supply but not on the pre itself. i would be very interested to know if the altair works well on the hd pre and whether he is using it on both the ps and preamp chassis.
tha nagra hd pre is an incredible machine, i had one for the last 2 month and made the very very stupid move to sell it last weekend...the music is boring now. i do try to buy it back now....
does he use the altair for the hd pre as well. there is a grounding post on the power supply but not on the pre itself. i would be very interested to know if the altair works well on the hd pre and whether he is using it on both the ps and preamp chassis.
I am using the Altaira Signal Hub on my Nagra HD DAC X, among other devices.
Regarding the Everest vs Denali v2/Typhon T2, doesn’t the Everest still have the advantage because of the CMode noise filter?
Puma Cat
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My guess is he's using Altairas everywhere. For components that don't have a dedicated ground termimal, you can use an unused interface jack, e.g. an XLR or RCA and connect those ground cables to Altaira. For a dual-mono pre like the Nagra, you'd use two, one for each channel. This is how I connect the Constellation Inspiration integrated, FWIW. For digital components that don't have a dedicated ground terminal, you can connect using an unused S/PDIF port, AES/EBU, USB port, etc. You can also connect Ethernet switches using an unused RJ45 port, as well, for example.
You should only use the Altaira ground hubs if there is a direct connection to AC ground and where you are connecting the hub. So XLR/RCA/etc may not be the solution if you don’t have direct continuity (<1ohm resistance) between the ground point and the AC ground pin on the power connector.
Puma Cat
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Yes, that's correct, that's why you perform the continuity to ground test between the ground point for the interface (e.g. the outer barrel for RCA) and AC ground pin on the IEC receptacle with an ohm meter, first.
Stephen,
Are you saying that you are using (2) ground wires from your dual mono Constellation integrated, left and right channels, to a SINGLE Altaira or are you using a PAIR of Altaira’s, one dedicated Altaira to each channel of the Constellation? Thx.
Jason
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Puma Cat
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Hi Jason,
Yes, I'm using two Alpha ground cables with XLR tails connecting to the Inspiration's L/R XLR outputs, with each channel's Alpha cable connected to it's own "dedicated" zone on Altaira, and also two Venom RCA ground cables connected to a pair of unused L/R RCA inputs, and each of those Venom CGCs going to it's own dedicated zone on an SG Altaira, for a total of 4 connections to that Altaira. That Altaira is thus dedicated solely to the Constellation integrated, no other components, and is connected at it's 7th terminal to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest using an Omega CGC cable.
Similarly, I have the Lumn P1 configured in a similar manner, with it's chassis ground terminal connecting to the "digital-dedicated" Altaira, along with a CGC connected from the S/PDIF input to that same Altaira. That "digital-dedicated" Altaira is connected at it's 7th terminal to it's own GP-NR ground terminal on Everest using an Omega CGC cable.
So, the Lumin P1 and the Constellation each have their own dedicated SG Altaira.
Ideally, though, as you've noted, if I had the budget, I'd have an SG Altaira dedicated to each channel of the Constellation. That would be the optimal set-up.
And let me tell you, connecting the Constellation to it's own dedicated Altaira takes it to another level ALTOGETHER...whoa. :celebrate008_2:
Got it, understand now. Glad to learn that a dual mono pre/integrated can have each channel connected to a single SG Altaira, each channel to a separate zone on same Altaira. If one desires, can separate L/R on separate Altaira’s down the road. This just made my path a little easier. Thanks.
Jason
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u-sound
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thx, cool!
so do you ground both the ps and the main chassis?
did you feel an improvementfor the nagra? (just in case you were testing your devices one by one)
Puma Cat
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I can't speak for Surge's experience, but everything I've connected an Altaira to results in improved audio quality. Some device connections provide a greater magnitude of improvement than others, so experiment and see what works best in your specific configuration. Even my connecting EtherREGEN's ground terminal provided an improvement (actually connecting ER made for a notable improvement).
It is very important for both safety and application reasons, to read the various and comprehensive guides from Shunyata before installing Altaira(s) and making connections.
Bear in mind that for some components, e.g. my Oppo BD-83SE, which does not have a ground pin in the IEC AC receptacle, you should not connect that component to an Altaira.
Puma Cat
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Any other review or personal experience ? Interested but still have concern on price vs benefit
It's only been recently released for sale into the marketplace, so it might be a bit early to expect reviews from folks that have bought one...
kennyb123
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Any other review or personal experience ? Interested but still have concern on price vs benefit
A report on another forum was that the Typhon T2 came neck and neck with the Typhon QR. The retail on the QR was $9000 so that would suggest that the T2 at $5500 offers a pretty big bang for the buck - especially since it includes QR/BB, which wasn't found on the QR. The reviews out there on the QR should give you some idea of what to expect from the T2.
I recently picked up an original Typhon. This review on The Audio Beat was spot on as far as the benefits - especially the part about "physicality and body". Stunning that a power conditioner could offer improvements in that area.
When the original Typhon first landed, I plugged it into the same outlet as my amp so both were sharing the same dedicated circuit. This was not a subtle improvement.
My amp always sounded a bit better on its own circuit than plugged into my Denali v1 but I was curious if this might change if both the Denali v1 and the Typhon shared the same outlet. It sure did. Moving my amp over to the Denali and the Typhon over to share the same outlet with it brought an even bigger improvement. I can't imagine how much better it would sound with something like the Typhon QR or T2, but I'm sure it would be substantial.
Dizzie
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I am still waiting for comments on Typhon T2>Denali 600/S v2 pairings. Using the Typhon independently to power amplifiers may be a valid application but probably not how most Typhons will be used.
The Audio Beat review is dated March 14, 2013.
The Audio Beat review is dated March 14, 2013.
kennyb123
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That’s why I suggested you seek out reviews of the QR.
The key technology in each of the Typhons is the Noise Isolation Chamber (NIC). If you progress through the reviews you will find that Shunyata was able to make their ferroelectric material more effective. And since they can use less, they are able to lower the price and thus deliver a bigger bang for the buck. Plenty has been written about the benefits this technology brings so, as I see it, there’s not much mystery about what to expect. Shunyata’s recent track record makes it even less of a mystery as each of their recent products have set a new level of performance at their respective price points.
A number of reviews mention how the Everest improves upon the Denail v2. Shunyata themselves claim that the Denali v2 plus Typhon T2 are roughly on par with the Everest, so one could find out exactly how the T2 might close that gap by checking out those reviews.
Puma Cat
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Very well-described, Kenny.
Another thing that Shunyata does is to cascade their innovative techologies down into "lower-level" product lines over time, so that a larger customer base can access these new technologies. Other good examples are the TAP and HARP technologies, which when originally introduced, were only avialable on the Sigma line of ICs and speaker cables, but now is available on the Alpha product line.
kennyb123
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Excellent point.
With power conditioners, Shunyata reached the point of maturity with the original Triton/Typhon. There’s been no having to start with a clean sheet to try to come at the problems in an entirely new way. It’s been more of a case of continuously refining their key technologies by making them both more effective and less expensive. They will add new technologies along the way, like QB/BB, which was introduced with the Denali v1. But the same pattern exists of them making it more effective in successive iterations. I think this takes almost all the guesswork out of what to expect when they release a new product that contains already released technologies. It might be as close to a sure thing as we have in this hobby. The only surprise becomes from being amazed at the performance for the price they achieved over the previous generation.
I am paraphrasing but my takeaway from that one report on the T2 was that it was nearly indistinguishable from a QR. While he might have been disappointed because he was hoping it might improve upon it, when you consider the lower price of the T2, it’s an amazing achievement that it offers such a better bang for the buck.
I'm the guy that Ken is referring to who had a TQR and bought a T2 and I have used both with a Denali 6000/S v2. This combo powers my amps & subs, I have an Everest for the frontend.
Like Ken says, I found that the differences between the two are not night & day, they are subtle with the T2 slightly better, but if I had had an opportunity to audition the T2 first, I probably would have passed on it.
I haven't been able to sell the TQR, so I may try to recoup some money and sell the T2...but first, I have a Dan D'Agostino Momentum S250 MxV amp incoming and they recommend plugging the amp directly into the wall - but we'll see which way sounds best. If into the wall is best, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have the T2 and Denali tied up for the subs only, so something will have to go.
Chris
Like Ken says, I found that the differences between the two are not night & day, they are subtle with the T2 slightly better, but if I had had an opportunity to audition the T2 first, I probably would have passed on it.
I haven't been able to sell the TQR, so I may try to recoup some money and sell the T2...but first, I have a Dan D'Agostino Momentum S250 MxV amp incoming and they recommend plugging the amp directly into the wall - but we'll see which way sounds best. If into the wall is best, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have the T2 and Denali tied up for the subs only, so something will have to go.
Chris