roon DSP: low-shelf parametric eq filter...

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roon DSP: bass boost w/ low-shelf parametric eq filter...

sometimes when listening to specific recordings i wish there was a little more deep-end bass. a good example of recordings i find to be bass-lite are 1950s - 60s jazz. while my amp + speaker pairing is more than able to deliver punchy / impactful bass that makes the entire recording rich and full, that information is just not in the signal for some material.

for a variety of reasons i do not want to add subs to my system, including that my listening room is the living room which would bump up against some WAF constraints. at some point it occurred to me that i could use the DSP functionality in roon to accomplish pretty much the same thing. by using roon's parametric eq filter and creating a low-shelf filter, it is possible to boost the low frequency part of the audio signal.

here is a screenshot of the filter in roon -- there are three parameters one can adjust to fine tune the filter and, thereby, tailor the sound to one's system and preferences.

- frequency controls where along the frequency spectrum the adjustment is applied
- gain sets the amount of adjustment appled in dBs
- Q is a parameter that adjusts the frequency range over which the gain is fully applied

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in my system i had to set the frequency pretty low at 75Hz and the Q pretty short at 0.875, otherwise the filter overly affected the adjacent higher frequencies in a negative way. i started out with a gain of 6 dB which was way too much and settled on a gain of 2 or 3 dBs which resulted in a nice bump to the bass and overall richness of the sound.

one detail to be aware of is that DSP can result in roon clipping the signal if it is out of the allowed range. it is easy to control for this by simply enabling headroom management in roon DSP and setting the dB adjustment such that clipping is avoided.

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this method of adding bass to enhance the SQ has the non-trivial benefit of avoiding all the matching, positioning, etc issues that go along with adding subwoofers to a system -- here, the added bass is coming directly from one's main speakers and is, therefore, perfectly matched and integrated. another great benefit is that it is free for users of roon and, i would think this is also possible with HPQ.

anyway, nothing new here just something I have been experimenting with for a few days and thought i would share here... for those with amp + speaker combinations capable of digging deep in the lower frequencies and who want a little more bass in the mix then this is certainly something to try out for a digital source!

more info here: https://kb.roonlabs.com/DSP_Engine:_Parametric_Equalizer
 

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Re: roon DSP: bass boost w/ low-shelf parametric eq filter...

Even more powerful than the parametric EQ are the convolution filters. You have to create those filters using software such as REW or Accourate and then enable the filters in Roon.

Here is a write up explaining how to do it.

https://blog.roonlabs.com/digital-room-correction/
 
i have been experimenting with this roon filter for a while now using a wide variety of parameters and have come to the following conclusions for my system:

- in general this filter is not necessary or is even detrimental for most music. modern recordings have more than enough bass in the signal

- however, for someone wanting a little more bass, a 1 or 2 dB gain will get the job done. any more and it begins to be overwhelming

- where the filter is helpful is for older recordings where the bass was just not captured sufficiently. here 2 - 4 dBs of gain can put the bass on par with the other instruments. in particular, i found 1950 - 60 jazz recordings to benefit from this as the bass becomes more a part of the performance.​

my takeaway -- YMMV: while this is nice tweak (for digital source music), i think if i ever were to want more bass in my current system or even a future incarnation as a permanent characteristic, then i would migrate toward speakers with active bass drivers such as avant guard or similar.
 
Re: roon DSP: bass boost w/ low-shelf parametric eq filter...

I have recently been experimenting with the creation of the convolution filters using REW and ROON. While I have been able to complete the process and enable my ZIP folder within ROON, the jury is out on whether or not I like the SQ from the result. From a pre and post measurement standpoint, it clearly created a smoother room measurement.
 
Re: roon DSP: bass boost w/ low-shelf parametric eq filter...

I have recently been experimenting with the creation of the convolution filters using REW and ROON. While I have been able to complete the process and enable my ZIP folder within ROON, the jury is out on whether or not I like the SQ from the result. From a pre and post measurement standpoint, it clearly created a smoother room measurement.

I used REW to measure the room response and then I emailed the data to Home Audio Fidelity for them to create the convolution filters. I really like the result. They did filters for both Roon and HQP.
 
Re: roon DSP: bass boost w/ low-shelf parametric eq filter...

I used REW to measure the room response and then I emailed the data to Home Audio Fidelity for them to create the convolution filters. I really like the result. They did filters for both Roon and HQP.

Did you get the cross talk correction filters from Home Audio Fidelity? If so, I would love to hear your thoughts compared to the standard filters. Any insights into what either of these filters brought to your system would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
Re: roon DSP: bass boost w/ low-shelf parametric eq filter...

Did you get the cross talk correction filters from Home Audio Fidelity? If so, I would love to hear your thoughts compared to the standard filters. Any insights into what either of these filters brought to your system would be appreciated. Thanks!

Yes, I got both the regular and the crosstalk correction filters from HAF. I am using the crosstalk filters but it is just a preference.

With the filters enabled, there is better definition of the instruments, cleaner bass, and wider soundstage. IMO it is well worth it.
 
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