Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum

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I am planning to add a Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum tube integrated to my collection. I know that it has an excellent reputation for superb value at $2300. Do any of you have anything critical to say about the amp or its limitations? If I were to spend twice as much (say $5,000), is there a brand or model that would offer substantially greater performance and still offer excellent value? If so, please elaborate. THanks!
 
If you can buy the Cronus Magnum for $2,300, that's a steal for what it offers.
 
I've considered Mono 150s or 180s a few times; and the only "bad" feedback I've heard about Rogue, is perhaps it's cheaply made. That fit and finish, leave something to be desired. I've read nothing but good mentions, about the Sphinx; have you considered it instead? I know it's hybrid, but even less expensive.

As for perhaps "better" tube IAs, that are still good values; where to start! PrimaLuna comes to mind first. If you want something with "pedigree" (though I'd hardly say Rogue has it to begin with); how about an Audio Research VSi-60? I've owned both PL and ARC, and they're great tube IAs.

Joe...was it you, who was trying an DiaLogue Premium HP?

EDIT- no affiliation https://app.audiogon.com/listings/t...t-2015-03-13-integrateds-90024-los-angeles-ca
 
Hi Chris,

I have not tried the DiaLogue Premium HP yet. Someday I will. I had the Rogue M-120, then upgraded to the M-150. Outstanding amps. Rock solid reliable. I had an Atlas Magnum, also a superb amp. I want the Stereo 100 at some point too, but have enough gear right now.
 
Ive owned a tempest III which is like a cronus on 'roids. I actually prefer the SQ of the non-magnum cronus with el34s. your diapsons have a sensitivity ~91 db, the standard cronus should have more than enough power. the only 'issue' you may encounter is a lack of linestage gain (its passive in the cronus) esp. if your phono set-up runs a LOMC.

the chassis fit n finish is fair to very good. their metal work is done in-house and its not perfect, i had problems fitting the cover and popped the source selector extension rod out of its socket. long story short, it had to be shipped back to Rogue for repairs. good thing their customer service is off the charts impressive, for my trouble they repaired, serviced it and included new KT120s all for FREE.

I bought a sphynix to tie me over while other gear was inbound. I cant recommend it, it somehow captured the worst aspects of switch mode amps and none of the attributes of tubes.
 
At the price level that Rogue is selling their gear at (which should be commended by the way), you can't expect to see awesome sheet metal work. I would dare say the Raven Shadow Reference stereo amp I'm currently reviewing has a chassis that cost more than the Rogue Cronus Magnum amp. The chassis is machined from a solid billet of aluminum and the finish work is gorgeous. However, this is a stereo tube amp rated at 50 watts per channel and it costs $6,995. The Cronus Magnum amp is an integrated amp and it has 100 watts per channel.
 
Thank you mep, CDLehner, joeinid & (especially) Puroagave for your input. I plan to use a Rothwell step-up transformer to enable my LOMC to work with the MM phonostage in the Cronos. You guys confirm that my dealer is giving me excellent advice. I certainly appreciate the value of superior fit & finish. Life is full of trade-offs.
 
I'm going to go ahead and get the Rogue Cronus Magnum. I love the sound of my Hegel solid state with the Diapasons. But I have no experience of living with tubes. Swapping between the two could be very pleasant and instructive to me. Your endorsements give me confidence I will have a great experience and get good value. In the future I can potentially upgrade to pricier stuff with a more mature appreciation of what I want. I'll use the Rothwell MCL step-up transformer to connect my Ortofon Rondo Red. Because I stream Tidal over the Apple TV, I'll need a DAC. (The Hegel H80 has a built-in DAC.) Peachtree has its $499 DAC IT on sale online for $299. (I bet they are clearing old inventory so they can put out a version with built in Airplay.) That sounds like a good fit for streaming and computer files, agreed?
 
Congratulations! You'll love it. I think it comes with KT-120's, great tube. Not sure if KT-150 are an option.

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Congratulations on the Cronus Magnum! You will love it.

The fit and finish on my Cronus Magnum is flawless. I've never noticed a problem with anything related to parts or assembly. In 5 years of owning a Rogue and reading about them I've never heard any complaints. Very solidly built imo.

Customer service is awesome. Great company.
 
Well, I've just experienced an uncharacteristic bout of consumer fickleness. After deciding to buy the Rogue Cronos, I had buyer's regret and cancelled the order. My wife surprised me by arguing that I should figure out what I really want instead of buying something I'm sure to tire of quickly. Today my quest begins to find the best components I can find (or afford) to drive my speakers. Meanwhile, I saw this bombshell of an integrated, after which my anticipated Rogue seemed rather shrewish:

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Yes, I read $15,000 as MSRP. Included is a luxury power cord they built in house that you have to credit $500 or more of value for. And one expects to peel 15-20% off of MSRP, doesn't one? And what is a lifetime warranty really worth on a product from a new company that may not be in business in five years? These are questions that haunt the infatuated audiophile.
 
BaySt...you went from a $2-3K tube integrated amp to a $15K tube integrated amp! May I offer up a few comments/suggestions/questions?

1) Have you ever owned a tube amp before or have you listened to one extensively? If this is your first foray into tubes, I would not start out with a $15K tube amp as you may find out that the tube sound is not for you and the hit on a $15K amp on resale vs. the hit on a $3-5K amp will hurt a lot more.

2) I think buying the integrated sight unseen and unheard is a big risk unless you are willing to take a big hit on resale if you decide that the amp is not for you, so I would start your list of options by what is available to you to hear locally (preferably in your own system if local dealers are willing to let you demo at home with your speakers).

3) I think you can get very good tube integrated amps in the $4-6K region which should be just the right fit with your speakers. One good place to start is the Prima Luna Dialogue HP integrated which can accommodate 6550, KT-88, KT-120 and KT-150 output tubes, and it has an autobias function which means you don't have to worry about that PIA issue but again if you cannot listen to one locally, you may want to see if an out of state dealer would allow you to demo at home and if it's not to your liking will charge you a modest fee plus freight charges.

4) Do you have a good sense of the SQ attributes you are looking for? Tube circuit designs and different output tubes can have very varying and distinct sonic flavors, so a little research up front first to define what type of sound you are seeking and secondly narrowing the list down to those amps that will deliver on those attributes will be hugely helpful. Again the PL Dialogue HP comes up here because its flexibility in accommodating 4 output tube types and playing them in Triode vs. Ultralinear modes allows you to contour the sound somewhat to better match what you are looking for and what best works with your speakers (please note I have no affiliation with PL and have never heard it or owned it but I am using it as an example of a well-reviewed, properly designed tube integrated amp that has a lot of flexibility and that does not cost an arm and a leg).

5) Your Diapason speakers are rated at 91dB sensitivity @ 1w/1m and has a nominal impedance of 6 ohms, which suggests on the surface that they should work fine with a tube amp but there is a drop in the impedance curve to 3.4 ohms at 200Hz (upper range of midbass frequencies) so you would still want to have a capable amp with sufficient current delivery via the 4ohm taps to make sure there is not a hesitancy or a diminution at 200Hz where a lot of what we hear as bass information is really midbass info. To see what instruments lie in this region, refer to the chart below:

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6) One final option to consider is a hybrid integrated amp, with tubes placed in the preamp stage or the input stages of the power amp and a SS output stage, which should give you some tube flavoring without the hassles of dealing with changing out output tubes every few thousand hours and biasing them etc...One option that comes to mind that I think is an excellent hybrid integrated amp that is also from Italy (like your Diapasons) and that is visually very striking (some people love it and others not so much) is the Pathos Logos (now in mk II version). I have heard the Mk I version which a friend used to own with his Focal speakers and it was a match made in heaven. Here's a pic of the Pathos Logos in case you are interested (but remember there are many such designs including an option that has been talked about here a lot, the Musical Fidelity Nuvista 800 integrates amp):

Pathos Logos:

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Musical Fidelity Nuvista 800:

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I am not trying to dissuade you in any way from going after an integrated tube amp (I run tubes in my system) however I always err on the side of up front preparation and research so you can make the best decision the first time around and I find the best research, beyond reading reviews and asking questions on fora like AA and others which should help in winnowing down the list of demo options, is to listen to as many candidates as possible (a few times if possible) and arriving at your own conclusion as to what will best match your sonic priorities and best fit your speakers and rest of the system.

Good luck.
 
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