No love for FM tuners?

Back in the day I had a McIntosh tube... I think a MR67... it did a fine job.... and then I had the Technics ST-9030 which I thought was fantastic. But that was a long time ago. Recently picking up the MR85 I am once again enjoying good FM... now if I could only get satisfied with the antenna :)....
 
Ladies and gents, I present to you...

The Carver TX-11a!!!

This thing is absolutely mint all the way around. It literally looks brand new. Totally spotless! Even all of the connections on the rear panel look brand new! And to top it off, it sounds great, too!

I hooked it up this afternoon on my lunch break. I connected one of the C.Crane FM Reflect antennas to it, and it's pulling in station after station, even stations the Yamaha won't even thinking about picking up. I ran out of decent interconnects so I'm using an ancient pair of Nakamichi interconnects that are probably just about as old as I am. Put it this way, they came with my father's first Nakamichi 680ZX! LOL But even with these old interconnects, the sound is, well... Tone-wise, it sounds just about the same as the Yamaha TX-1000. Just about the same quality bass, midrange and treble. What does stand out though is that the Carver has a wider sound stage. It's a bit more 3 dimensional. Of course, this is all from a quick fifteen minute listen before I had to head back to work, and before the Carver had sufficient time to warm up fully.

I would be listening to it right now, but I came home to my girlfriend watching some weird movie, so it'll have to wait till later. Hmm... Women... :bonkers:

Anyway, a few quick pics from this afternoon...

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Awesome Charles. It's a beauty. Darn, I miss mine now. Enjoy it in great health.
 
I listen on a restored McIntosh MR-74 on a fairly regular basis. Antenna is a 4-element FM Yagi on a rotator - a decent DX (and casual listening) setup.
 
Joe, thank you for the kind words. Maybe you should speak with your family member that has your old Carver tuner and see if they are still using it. If not, ask for it back. I'm highly impressed with mine. It's definitely a keeper.

Listening to "All Night Jazz" on 89.7 WUSF, and it's coming in crystal clean and completely silent. No hiss, no static, just very good music. Not to mention that the signal meter is pegged out whereas as on the Yamaha the signal is real weak, but still comes in somewhat clear and quiet.

Awesome Charles. It's a beauty. Darn, I miss mine now. Enjoy it in great health.
 
Oh well, no good deed goes unpunished.

I asked and my brother who I gave it to does not have it anymore. Never got a straight story of what happened.
 
Joe

I had a mint Onkyo T-9, bought new, that I loaned out to one of my brothers. When I asked about it over Christmas, as all of the gear has been boxed up for years, I got a similar evasive answer. Other than the likes of Clear Channel stations and complete NPR/BBC FSU station FM stations here are the dregs. One station exists that is run by the former program director at WFSU but you can only pick it up in the car in certain parts of town.
 
Well that just stinks. If anything, there's TX-11's and 11a's up on eBay all the time, quite a few of them right now in fact. If you know how to "feel out" sellers on there, you can pick up a good one for not a whole lot. This one only cost me $220 shipped!

Oh well, no good deed goes unpunished.

I asked and my brother who I gave it to does not have it anymore. Never got a straight story of what happened.
 
Charles.......What a fine looking tuner. Sounds to me like it's time to put the other tuners back on eBay. The Carver is running the show. Congratulations on a great performing tuner and a good score. FM radio has some decent programming, you just have to find it and have a tuner good enough to take full advantage of the signal. I am happy for you.


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Superb deal. Yeah, I gave it away without the expectation of getting it back. I never expected Dan to do this to us. Ha! :hey:

Well that just stinks. If anything, there's TX-11's and 11a's up on eBay all the time, quite a few of them right now in fact. If you know how to "feel out" sellers on there, you can pick up a good one for not a whole lot. This one only cost me $220 shipped!
 
Thanks Dan.

I suppose you're correct that the Carver is running the show. I really do like the Yamaha as well though. I may put the Yamaha up for sale, or I mighty keep it just for the heck of it. Who knows. LOL
 
I know what you mean. I was living quite happily with bitter thoughts against FM radio and the material in general on the air these days. Next thing I know, Dan starts up this thread, I read through it and now have three tuners sitting here along with a Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna waiting to be put to work! Darn you, Dan! LOL

Superb deal. Yeah, I gave it away without the expectation of getting it back. I never expected Dan to do this to us. Ha! :hey:
 
I know what you mean. I was living quite happily with bitter thoughts against FM radio and the material in general on the air these days. Next thing I know, Dan starts up this thread, I read through it and now have three tuners sitting here along with a Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antenna waiting to be put to work! Darn you, Dan! LOL

Oh yeah, blame it on me. You guys are right in a way. Over the years I have definitely been the catalyst for many audio purchases. Still, I can't be held responsible for growing the tree, only planting the seed. . .:woot:
 
Charles congratulations on the new tuner. It looks awesome!!! Joe, sad face, you need to buy an MR88 I guess :D... Dan, it is all your fault :).... ok, just the planting seeds part.... but we still blame you none the less :)....
 
Hi all. I'm a new member here from Hampshire in southern England and this thread caught my attention. I have been into tuners for a long time. The interest was triggered by my stepdad introducing me to FM DXing in the mid 1980s. I got my first proper tuner for this purpose, a Sony ST-SA3ES in about 1997, after getting by with a boombox and then a hi-fi midi system. However, I didn't get a proper FM aerial until after moving to my current location in 2005, which was a Triax FM5 fixed pointing due east. In October 2014 I had the aerial upgraded to a Körner 9.2 (a 9-element Yagi) and added a rotator. There are some gorgeous tuners mentioned on this thread.

My current tuners I have hooked up are a Denon TU-800L, a Sony XDR-F1HD and a Kenwood L-1000T. I also have a Yamaha T-2 sitting here but haven't used it for quite a long time as it needs a service. The Kenwood is definitely the best performer, with the best sound quality, and DXing ability as good as the Denon. The Denon is also a superb tuner but comparing side-by-side with the Kenwood the audio is a bit lean and thin-sounding. The Kenwood has had ventilation holes drilled in the top panel as well as a modified mains socket/lead fitted. I don't know if there have been any other internal modifications. The sound quality with a good BBC broadcast is amazing though, so relaxed, yet vivid and natural-sounding. It does have a couple of minor issues that suggests it needs an alignment (probably the discriminator coils have drifted off-spec slightly). I am going to get both the Kenwood and Yamaha tuners serviced and aligned this year.

The Sony tuner gets a lot of use during the Sporadic-E season where its razor-sharp selectivity and RDS capability make it very useful during the rapidly-changing conditions that often happen with this mode of propagation. I have had double-hop E-skip out as far as the Middle East on the Sony with Israel, Syria and, last year, Iran positively identified.

So yes, a big FM fan here, not only because it is great source of high-quality programming but because tropo and E-skip can add excitement and unpredictability to the band.

Regards,
Nick
 
Hey Nick,

Welcome! Many of us just recently were re-introduced to FM... Me with the purchase of a used McIntosh MR85 (mostly to get a piece of my home town in my system), Chops by us discussing tuners here... and yes Mr. Dan is to blame :D...

But it appears to me that FM is alive and well and has a huge following! Listening to my tuner it is very much apparent to me FM is definitely a high quality sound source. I only wish there was a better selection of stations in my area (mainly pop, hip hop, and country). The NPR stations are usually running talk program, which I do enjoy sometimes. I do wish there was a good Jazz station in my area... but unfortunately there is not.
 
BW Broadcast RBRX Encore Rebroadcast Receiver

I have bought a new DSP-based tuner, and it is unlike any other I have used before. I had sort of distantly lusted after the BW Broadcast RBRX1, but never thought I'd be able to afford one. Well this has since been superseded by the RBRX Encore. Normally I wouldn't have been able to afford this sort of thing, but I had a bit of a windfall recently and so used the opportunity to snap it up. The device is actually a professional rebroadcasting receiver. Although it is extremely sophisticated with many options buried in menus, it is actually very logical and intuitive to use and I can make adjustments quickly as needed. It has dual DSP-based tuners. I had to buy adapters for the audio cables (it has balanced XLR inputs only) and for the coax plug (it uses a 50 ohm BNC input) but it was easy to set up for monitoring. The receiver is designed to work with the most challenging of reception conditions and rebroadcast your signal at the highest possible quality, so I knew it was going to be ideal for DXing.

Most of the options useful for me are in the PRESETS menu, and I go to the TUNER 1 submenu (this is the tuner I have the aerial hooked up to) where you can tune up and down in 100 kHz steps, adjust the de-emphasis (off/50 uS/75 uS), if filter (auto/fixed - the latter has 15 bandwidths to choose from ranging from 56 kHz to 311 kHz), stereo blend adjustments, stereo improvement with traditional high blend or fmsi (FM stereo improvement) which uses DSP in a similar manner to the Sony XDR-F1HD to kill the extra hiss with many parameters adjustable, soft mute on/off, again with lots of possible adjustments. The display on the left (displays are yellow OLEDs) which gives info about the received signal includes RDS data like PS name, PI code and Radiotext (this doesn't seem to work properly) as well as received signal strength in dBuV, multipath %, modulation %, ultrasonic noise, softmute, high cut, stereo blend, high blend, and fmsi parameters such as low band, 2.2 kHz band, 5 kHz band and high band. In short it makes one of those Revoxes look plain and simple in comparison! Adjustments are made using the central rotary knob, which means that you can use this knob to tune up & down the band, with no muting. Very nice. The extended coverage down to 65 MHz mentioned in the PDF specifications is actually not included yet but will apparently be added in a future firmware update. I don't know if the DAB and HD options involve extra hardware or whether this will also be included in a firmware update. I would also hope that there will be an option to adjust the tuning steps e.g. 10, 30, 50 or 100 kHz.

For information, the available IF bandwidths available are: 56, 64, 72, 84, 114, 133, 151, 168, 184, 200, 217, 236, 254, 287 and 311 kHz. Very comprehensive and useful!

The receiver has even more flexibility if it is connected to your LAN, but that isn't really practical for my set up. In theory I could set it up to monitor, say 87.6 MHz, and send me an email when a signal is received, so it could be used as a DX warning device!

For DXing this receiver is a dream machine in every way. With the IF bandwidth set to Auto it isn't as good as the XDR-F1HD at fending off splatter from adjacent signals 100 kHz away, but using the fixed bandwidth of 56 kHz I think it is actually slightly better in this respect. For general tuning around and DXing I use a fixed bandwidth of 114 kHz as this is a good compromise for good audio quality, excellent selectivity, and easy RDS decoding. If you want to use the receiver as an audiophile listening device you can choose the Measure mode, which bypasses all of the DSP and gives you an unmolested clean FM signal at the widest 311 kHz bandwidth. On BBC Radios 3 and 4 in this mode the audio quality is fantastic, with a bit of a different character to the Kenwood L-1000T, but not inferior. Bear in mind however, that using this mode you will get multiplex noise even on empty channels. The only other tuner I have that offers similar DX performance is the Sony XDR-F1HD but the audio on this is inferior and it is far less flexible. The 8 presets can all have different setting stored in them so it's almost like having 8 different tuners as they can be set up for different purposes.

So this device is extremely flexible and sophisticated and it shows what can be done with the latest chipset and DSP software.
 
Nick.......Very enjoyable post. The BW Broadcast RBRX Encore sounds like an amazing tuner. Having a secon DSP tuner that provides full diversity reception from a second antenna input is a fantastic feature that I have never seen in a tuner before. Until your post, I had never heard of this BW Broadcast component. If you have an opportunity, please post a couple photos.
 
This thread caught my attention. Chiming in with a few thoughts.

Lurking for a few years, first post.

Surprising to read not many vintage tube users.

Guess Im just too nostalgic. FM just sounds "right" listening through a 10B,The Fisher,Scott.. and my Mac MR 71.Compared to the equally nice SS units available, they may offer precise technical specs, but they all lack "that sound"(just my subjective opinion)


Mine is stock(1966-69?) with updated components,RCA jacks,power cord and period appropriate NOS tubes. It's amazingly well preserved(near perfect chrome/lettering)
and will perform flawlessly for another 50 years.

To my aging ears, the human voice and acoustic instruments sound superior thru glass compared to transistors. Perhaps not "accurate" at times, but convincing.

We have a handful of NPR-based stations here in SoCal-Classical,Jazz and eclectic.
The R&R stations are terrible along with the other junk, but we still have choice.

Long live FM!
 
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