Magico M2 SP review and Measurements

Kuoppis said:
Sorry, but that comment is total bollocks. Atkinson does not state any such thing in the measurements section.

Also, you are confusing current and power. He states the M2 demands a high level of current
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I read the comment as his opinion, not a quote from the article.
 
BlueFox said:
I read the comment as his opinion, not a quote from the article.
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Good point, possibly. To me it looked like he made a statement, and added the link as a source.

Whichever, hardly tenable.


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BlueFox said:
I read the comment as his opinion, not a quote from the article.
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I guess my good friend Kuoppis is confused ..

By JA mesurement the M2 is 83db/w/M , based on the actual measured impedance curve and phase angles im suggesting this model will require at least an amp capable of 300 watts into 4 ohm to avoid clipping and better yet one capable of increased power into a 2 ohm drive for good dynamics and bass control ..

600 watt would be my preferred choice into 2 ohm , to do so would require a lot of current , its academic dear Kuoppis ..




Regards
 
a.wayne said:
I guess my good friend Kuoppis is confused ..

By JA mesurement the M2 is 83db/w/M , based on the actual measured impedance curve and phase angles im suggesting this model will require at least an amp capable of 300 watts into 4 ohm to avoid clipping and better yet one capable of increased power into a 2 ohm drive for good dynamics and bass control ..

600 watt would be my preferred choice into 2 ohm , to do so would require a lot of current , its academic dear Kuoppis ..




Regards
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Where does JA say this?

Although Magico specifies the M2's sensitivity as 88dB/W/m, my estimate was slightly lower, at 86dB(B)/2.83V/m
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at 86db you certainly do not require at least 300 watt amp.
 
JA measured 86db/M/2.83Volts 4ohm nominal this means 2 watts, for a typical 1 watt comparison that translates to 83db.

Hence 83db/W/M ( referencing 1 watt)

This speaker is gonna need amplification to perform at its best...


Regards
 
A.Wayne wants 9000 watts for every speaker. :)

The reality is, they are not hard to drive and quite frankly, we drive them easily with a Luxman 509 or 590. They don’t even make the 260.8 needles move in the 17 x 25 room....so, so much for measurements.
 
Mike said:
A.Wayne wants 9000 watts for every speaker. :)

The reality is, they are not hard to drive and quite frankly, we drive them easily with a Luxman 509 or 590. They don’t even make the 260.8 needles move in the 17 x 25 room....so, so much for measurements.
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Yep those pesky measurements again ...! :)
 
a.wayne said:
JA measured 86db/M/2.83Volts 4ohm nominal this means 2 watts, for a typical 1 watt comparison that translates to 83db.

Hence 83db/W/M ( referencing 1 watt)

This speaker is gonna need amplification to perform at its best...


Regards
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I don't think this is what JA is saying. He equivocates 2.83v into 8 ohms - so a true 86db vs. 88db spec. He just states that Magico says it's a 4ohm impedance.

That said, based on my slightly easier to drive Haileys (don't go below 3 ohms and without high phase angles) I still think 300+ watts is ideal. I've tried like 8 amps so far and it's been pretty obvious.
 
Mike said:
A.Wayne wants 9000 watts for every speaker. :)

The reality is, they are not hard to drive and quite frankly, we drive them easily with a Luxman 509 or 590. They don’t even make the 260.8 needles move in the 17 x 25 room....so, so much for measurements.
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So much for everyone is sitting around listening to their system while it’s always clipping.
 
mep said:
So much for everyone is sitting around listening to their system while it’s always clipping.
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It's not about clipping for me, but ease and freedom from the speaker at normal levels. Less congested events on complex music like classical, electronica, etc. Piano hammers and bass that has impact. Feeling the strength of Johnny Cash's vocal pipe. (and sure, playing the Tron reboot soundtrack in the mid-90s helps too)

Lots of stuff "can work" but isn't ideal. Yoav Geva says 60 watts minimum on YG- I recently tried a Pass XA25 (80 into 8ohms, 130 into 4) and it was anemic. For sealed box speakers I've found 400 watts into 4 ohms the line of demarcation in my amp journey last year, but as always YMMV.
 
KeithR said:
It's not about clipping for me, but ease and freedom from the speaker at normal levels. Less congested events on complex music like classical, electronica, etc. Piano hammers and bass that has impact. Feeling the strength of Johnny Cash's vocal pipe. (and sure, playing the Tron reboot soundtrack in the mid-90s helps too)

Lots of stuff "can work" but isn't ideal. Yoav Geva says 60 watts minimum on YG- I recently tried a Pass XA25 (80 into 8ohms, 130 into 4) and it was anemic. For sealed box speakers I've found 400 watts into 4 ohms the line of demarcation in my amp journey last year, but as always YMMV.
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I’m not disputing that some people have speakers that are low impedance, low sensitivity, and are hard to drive and they need very powerful amps to drive them. Just like your speakers fit that category. What I don’t agree with is a blanket statement that most people require such amps and they don’t have them and their systems are constantly clipping.
 
Mike said:
A.Wayne wants 9000 watts for every speaker. :)

The reality is, they are not hard to drive and quite frankly, we drive them easily with a Luxman 509 or 590. They don’t even make the 260.8 needles move in the 17 x 25 room....so, so much for measurements.
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Thank you Mike for some REAL WORLD facts.
 
CPP said:
Thank you Mike for some REAL WORLD facts.
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:D:D
I am convinced that a lot of talking about technical specifications in the audio would fall apart if it was personal and accompanied by the on-site hearing.
Despite our differences in taste, I think we all recognize when a system plays well and when the music is right (to use one expression that is not mine).
 
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