I call out Stealth Cables and Apology to Cable Deniers....

I know for a fact cables make a difference.

I pulled my Wireworld Aurora 7 power cable for my amplifier out of the wall socket, and my system was totally dead silent. Even with my ears right up against the tweeters, not a sound.






There was a thunderstorm rolling in...
 
What would you guys do if you liked how a component sounded in your system but measured poorly? What if you liked how a component sounded in your system but it got poor reviews?
 
stereogeek said:
What would you guys do if you liked how a component sounded in your system but measured poorly? What if you liked how a component sounded in your system but it got poor reviews?
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I could careless what anyone thinks of my 2 channel system, if it fits in my systems and sounds great than that's all that matters
 
stereogeek said:
What would you guys do if you liked how a component sounded in your system but measured poorly? What if you liked how a component sounded in your system but it got poor reviews?
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Get your ears checked out ! Perhaps excessive wax build up ?
 
stereogeek said:
What would you guys do if you liked how a component sounded in your system but measured poorly? What if you liked how a component sounded in your system but it got poor reviews?
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Hi - is that a serious question? Who cares how something measures? And I sure as heck don't care what deaf people on the forums think who are unable to hear or think for themselves and thus require measurements to tell them what to think.
 
gadawg said:
I’m not sure why I even read this entire thread … LOL

George
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I find these threads fascinating and entertaining to observe the psyche of some of these people. It is so entertaining to watch how people act (usually the same ones over and over). :)
 
MichaelsMinute said:
I find these threads fascinating and entertaining to observe the psyche of some of these people. It is so entertaining to watch how people act (usually the same ones over and over). :)
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It’s amazing to me that people think wire is wire. The other day we set up the NEAT speakers in the back room. With the Nordost speaker cables, it was not a good match. That ribbon tweeter did not respond well. Switched to the Sigma speaker cables and IMMEDIATELY things were like a hand in glove. But on some speakers, maybe the reverse is true. You have to listen! The funny thing, I bet they most measured similarly.


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Mike said:
It’s amazing to me that people think wire is wire.
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Mike, not all wire is wire, in fact 'measurements' tell us that ! :D

The other day we set up the NEAT speakers in the back room. With the Nordost speaker cables, it was not a good match. That ribbon tweeter did not respond well. Switched to the Sigma speaker cables and IMMEDIATELY things were like a hand in glove.
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actually , not surprised, certain Nordost speaker cable is known to have higher capacitance which can have an effect with respect to high freq. Those of us with years of experience with stats know this.

But on some speakers, maybe the reverse is true. You have to listen! The funny thing, I bet they most measured similarly.
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and willing to wager there is a measurable difference !

I am not trying to argue that measurements are the end all, I've made the same reference with respect to objective / subjective observations. But I will say that anyone that suggests measurements are meaningless is only kidding themselves.
 
MichaelsMinute said:
Hi - is that a serious question? Who cares how something measures? And I sure as heck don't care what deaf people on the forums think who are unable to hear or think for themselves and thus require measurements to tell them what to think.
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MichaelsMinute said:
I find these threads fascinating and entertaining to observe the psyche of some of these people. It is so entertaining to watch how people act (usually the same ones over and over). :)
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Like how some people ^^^^ react when someone doesn't share all your audio beliefs...so you find yourself calling other audiophiles "deaf" and "unable to think for themselves?"

Yes there is some "interesting" psychology to observe in audiophile circles.
 
stereogeek said:
What would you guys do if you liked how a component sounded in your system but measured poorly? What if you liked how a component sounded in your system but it got poor reviews?
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Since you asked...

I have products in my system that measure impeccably, e.g. Benchmark gear. I also have gear that measures far from great, e.g. my vinyl set up is not going to be anywhere close to digital in terms of measured performance, my CJ tube amps are measurably inferior to any half decent solid state amp, and one of my favourite amps I ever owned (sold it not long ago) was the classic Eico HF-81 which measures almost laughably in some respects (see Stereophile measurements).

And yet I LOVE the way that "poorer measuring" gear sounds in my system. I've had various additional amps come and go, but I've kept my CJ tube amps for over 20 years. They aren't leaving.

One speaker I owned were MBL 121 Radialstrahler omnis. Very low sensitivity, not an easy load to say the least, and I had various amps on them from 140w/push pull tubes to beefy solid state amps and yet my favourite combo? The little 14W Eico tube integrated! It fleshed out the sound in a glorious way (and since my room wasn't too big I didn't need tons of power volume-wise).

Further, one of my favourite all time speakers (that I almost purchased instead of my Joseph speakers) are the Devore O/96, which measures "poorly" by the lights of the ASR crowd, but I absolutely love it's particular sonic characteristics.

Unlike some here, I can completely understand why various audiophiles seek out and use measurements to help guide their purchase. It suits their goals, and many find great happiness in that approach. Personally though, while I look to measurements in some areas, ultimately I just go with what I prefer. There are many ways of doing this hobby, and other people don't need to be derided for taking the approach that makes them happy.
 
MattHooper said:
Like how some people ^^^^ react when someone doesn't share all your audio beliefs...so you find yourself calling other audiophiles "deaf" and "unable to think for themselves?"

Yes there is some "interesting" psychology to observe in audiophile circles.
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Woo Hoo!! MattHooper is back! Woo Hoo!

We missed you Matt! Happy Thanksgiving!
 
MichaelsMinute said:
Hi - is that a serious question? Who cares how something measures? And I sure as heck don't care what deaf people on the forums think who are unable to hear or think for themselves and thus require measurements to tell them what to think.
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Wow Mickey, what an incredibly stupid post, even from you !
 
Mikado463 said:
Wow Mickey, what an incredibly stupid post, even from you !
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It was a troll thread to begin with. It just continues.

Some of us tried to introduce some actual thoughtful conversation. But it's not going to happen from the OP who seems mostly to be of the "anything that gets me clicks so bring it on haters!" youtuber mindset, and pretty much exemplifies why normal folk roll their eyes at audiophiles. You get all that snobby elitism: "I declare these expensive audio tweaks make a MAJOR difference and anyone skeptical is deaf, don't have my level of experience, or they don't own equipment as great as mine."

Standard issue Golden Ears put-downs. But it's nice to see not everyone on the forum follows suit. :-). Cheers.
 
I will call it for what it really is......cables are tone controls. Don't believe me? Come over....Cheers.
 
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