CES news 2014

dev said:
Please don't take my posting out of text in reference to posting what Albert conveyed to me about that room as I wrote, he is experienced knows about the issues in general and why it was left vague in general but did answer my question.

Any experienced individual knows you just get to see, touch lots of goodies all under one roof along with hopefully get to speak to a representative of said specific products of interest.
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Of course you and I know all about this but I guarantee you that even though everyone knows this, so many conclusions or ideas are garnered from viewers of the forum conversations. Heck, I know it and even the craziest of comments sometimes makes me think "if someone said that" maybe there is something to it.....just sayin':audiophile:
 
Absolare said:
Interesting Bob, actually I was quite surprised at the what the system sounded like with just the redbook cd.....it was "rockin", would have even better with the mentioned recordings.
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What! It was the standard digital Red Book CD that was playing! Do you know which version Bob? ...Was it the original CD with nine songs on it, or the newer remastered one (25th anniversary edition) with additional songs and takes?
* The original one is the better sounding one. ...And that song, "Billie Jean", is some' else. :cool: ...Turn it up! ...The master volume level control.
 
NorthStar said:
What! It was the standard digital Red Book CD that was playing! Do you know which version Bob? ...Was it the original CD with 9 songs on it, or the newer remastered one (25th anniversary edition) with additional songs and takes?
* The original one is the better sounding one. ...And that song, "Billie Jean", is some' else. :cool: ...Turn it up! ...The master volume level control.
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The "Kondo Boys" brought it with them from Japan so I am not really sure about it at all. If I had to guess it was the remastered version from my brief remembrance of the cover. I never would have even picked it out of the stack and played it, but a customer asked if we had any Michael Jackson, to my surprise it was there. I put it on and literally was blown away with the sound.
 
Absolare said:
How long has Albert been working on his room/system? I know people know this but the vendors have to set up a statement system in literally a few hours and then people start coming in to the room. It's not by vendor choice, it's the hotel and show policies and procedures etc. Forget whether the components are broken in, they just got done getting bounced around by a trucking/moving company and it takes at least 24 and more like 48 hours to settle in, once they are set up and turned on. And then hotel power, which is very questionable at best.

Speaker placement in the room, which in a private room usually takes me MONTHS to get the best results, must be done in about an hour. Depending on the sizes of the rooms this could or not be an issue. For example in the case of the Focal room the room was a giant room. Then you have to take into consideration that you are going to have maybe 50 people in the giant room at once, so speaker placement must accommodate this requirement first.

Also, what is Albert's room size? The CES Focal room must have been 30' or 40' wide by 40' or 50' deep.

Anyway, to compare a room that is set up in a few hours with who knows the length of time that equipment has been broken in etc., is fairly amusing imho.

With having said the above, I personally thought that a few of the rooms that I was involved with, with literally a few hours of set up sounded better with the EXACT same equipment that I have had in my room, which I have worked at for months. I learned that I have my speakers WAY too far out into the room. I got back from the West Coast last night and listened to my set up and was not pleased vs. our rooms at CES. I moved the speakers back towards the back wall like we had the speakers set up in LV and I heard more similar sound that I grew accustomed to in LV. Point being.....who knows???? It could go either way.
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Good post, and one that must be taken into serious consideration when we're talking about sound at audio shows across our planet.
Audio shows are mainly that; for shows. ...The bulk of the sound is coming from them walls, ceiling and floor, from the hotels' rooms, with all that jazz. ...Adjacent door's openings (dining room, etc), open back doors, front windows, bed frames, ceilings made of?, etc., etc., etc. ...Even the people (bodies) and the number of them in that room (sound absorption) have a sound influence, just like @ live classical music concerts, with full audience or from an empty hall.
{I know so, I worked there before, and doing exactly that; analyzing acoustics, sounds.}

<<>> Audio Shows: Business first, Aesthetics second, Sound third (you simply have no choice but to be constrained by the rooms' own acoustics inside that particular hotel).

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* You know what would be good: Get the Sound Tuned (Acoustic Room EQued).
...With Room Acoustic analyzing microphone and intelligently and digitally compensated for (smart FIR/IIR equalization).
How many people do that? ...You need few hours to do a good job though, and complete silence during that time.
 
Absolare said:
The "Kondo Boys" brought it with them from Japan so I am not really sure about it at all. If I had to guess it was the remastered version from my brief remembrance of the cover.
I never would have even picked it out of the stack and played it, but a customer asked if we had any Michael Jackson, to my surprise it was there. I put it on and literally was blown away with the sound.
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Awesome! ...Same here, I would never consider putting some Michael Jackson's music at an audio show like that one; but to have a person in the audience making that request, and good lord luck has it that it is in your music stack of the time, that is part of the entire Audio equation! ...Because "Billie Jean" is indeed a real blast! :cool:
 
NorthStar said:
Good post, and one that must be taken into serious consideration when we're talking about sound at audio shows across our planet.
Audio shows are mainly that; for shows. ...The bulk of the sound is coming from them walls, ceiling and floor, from the hotels' rooms, with all that jazz.
Audio Shows: Business first, Aesthetics second, Sound third (you simply have no choice but to be constrained by the rooms' own acoustics inside that particular hotel).

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* You know what would be good: Get the Sound Tuned (Acoustic Room EQued).
...With Room Acoustic analyzing microphone and intelligently and digitally compensated for (smart FIR/IIR equalization).
How many people do that?
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Agreed Bob, unfortunately that's what we are dealing with at shows and I think it's all good as long as we all take into consideration what you just said!
 
NorthStar said:
Awesome! ...Same here, I would never consider putting some Michael Jackson's music at an audio show like that one; but to have a person in the audience making that request, and good lord luck has it that it is in your music stack of the time, that is part of the entire Audio equation! ...Because "Billie Jean" is indeed a real blast! :cool:
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I was literally dancin' when it was playing with those big 15" woofers....
 
I went to the CES for my business which is not audio related, however, I did spend a day going through the Venetian tower. I was most impressed by the Kondo room, it was pure music and control. Considering the 801 speakers are not the newest or the most expensive, I thought at the time it was the best sound and a more approachable system in the show. Now that I know how expensive the amplifiers are, I am sad that they are out of my budget. But excellent none the less.
 
NorthStar said:
I am also sad to admit that me too cannot afford those Kondo amps. ...Unless I rob a bank or some' like that. :)

* I know few good stories on how some people acquired their audio gear. ...But that would be for another thread at another time.
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Start a marijuana farm (in only a legal state of course), you'll have a pair of Kagura in no time at all:woot:
 
Just curious if Absolare, Myles or Mike heard the Cessaro speakers at CES. The woodwork looks beautiful just curious how they sound? Horns intrigue me sometimes if bass can b well integrated. 1026175_434510803345172_307371319_o.jpg

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veindoc said:
Just curious if Absolare, Myles or Mike heard the Cessaro speakers at CES. The woodwork looks beautiful just curious how they sound? Horns intrigue me sometimes if bass can b well integrated. View attachment 4464

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I heard them. Love the design, but I wasn't overwhelmed with them sonically enough to make a note. Sorry.


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Just curious how the Nagra Alexia combo sounded. I have heard the Alexias with VTL, Lamm, Ayre and Dag.

Nick
 
veindoc said:
Just curious how the Nagra Alexia combo sounded. I have heard the Alexias with VTL, Lamm, Ayre and Dag.

Nick
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Excellent. The Nagra double DSD demo was a show highlight for me. That being said, the DCS room which demoed with VTL 450's sounded even better.


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Nick,
Wasn't at ces but was following the thread on Jeff Catalano's room and know that he intended to use tron amps in the system but they were damaged in shipping. Check out his facebook page for the details of how he shifted to plan b.
I did hear the big cessaro's at rmaf and they were awesome. Way too big for my space and budget, but stellar.
My favourite three rooms at rmaf included jeff's cessaro room, gideon's zellaton room and the volti border patrol room, all quite different setups but all excelled in their own way.
 
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