Accuphase E-800

apdoc2004 said:
In my opinion, an overly critical unbalanced review that does not make sense -- starts out with saying it is a warmer sound but still has all the details and other audiophile attributes. I feel that his impressions were driven by the disproportionately high price of the component in the US (which I agree is a big problem). It also highlights the subjective nature of this hobby where 10 people can rarely agree on anything as we all hear differently.
I do not have personal experience with the Luxman 590 mk2; so cannot comment on its sound. I have heard only good things about it.
I do have extensive experience with Accuphase A70, which is a 60 watt Class A amp that I have owned for the past ~ 3 years. It sound sublime and easily drives my Vienna Acoustics The Music speakers. No lack of power here and the bass is all that it needs to be. I am a little puzzled about the reviewer talking about a lack of power.
I compared it at length to a Gryphon Diablo 300 integrated and decided to keep the Accuphase as it edged out the Gryphon in my system. Just a smoother, more refined, easier to listen to at length sound (the difference was subtle but there).
Anshul
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Hi Anshul, I agree with your statement. I am using Accuphase A75 with accuphase pre now and these replace Diablo 300. And the sound characteristics are as what you mentioned.

Having said that, I have not listened to Luxman well-regarded c900u with m900u. And I hope can listen to the luxman combo in near future.

Here in Singapore, the price of accuphase components are less marked up than in US and US RRP of accuphase left a lot to be desired.


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Just my opinion, not an absolute. I had the opportunity to listen to a Accuphase E-800 today driving a pair of MBL 101E speakers. I've listened to the MBL 101E speakers over 50 times with several amplifiers. It's my friend system, but I'm so familiar with his system I consider it my 2nd system:). I've heard the MBLs with the Parasound JC1+ and JC5, Jeff Rowlnad 725s, PS Audio BHK 300 mono-amps, and several more. Today, with the E-800 the MBLs sound was detailed, but not as bright as I've heard before with some amplifiers. The bass was tight and the soundstage very 3-dimensional. Maybe one day I'll bring it home and compare it to my Rowland 625 S2 amplifier with Corus preamp driving Monitor Audio PL500 II speakers. Totally different speakers may yield different results.
 
The freakin problem in the US is the cost to the consumer. I think the distributor is just out to lunch, and if he would offer lower prices, he could way more than make up for it on volume. Apologies for beating this dead horse and taking the thread off topic (yet again), but this just can’t be said enough.


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Hounddog said:
The freakin problem in the US is the cost to the consumer. I think the distributor is just out to lunch, and if he would offer lower prices, he could way more than make up for it on volume. Apologies for beating this dead horse and taking the thread off topic (yet again), but this just can’t be said enough.


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I totally agree. In order to arrive at the Canadian MSRP, you have to get at least 30% off US pricing.
 
Worth every penny, Canadians are just luckier. How many times have I had to pay 30% more here in Canada because we are a tiny market compared to the US.
 
Price aside, I think Accuphase makes great sounding amps. I’m on my third one and very pleased with the workmanship, appearance, and sound of Accuphase.
 
Paul said:
So true. We pay everything else lot more here than state. sigh
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Unfortunately true for most companies that have distribute to Canada using a US distributor: even Luxman is slightly more in Canada than the US even as they are trying to keep them at par - the Luxman L509X is slightly more than the Accuphase E480 in Canada....In Canada Accuphase retail has been very fair.

Of course try buying Pass or McIntosh in the Germany...
 
anyone try a e-800 or e650 with the accuphase PS510/520/530? the brochure says that the PS wasn't designed for high idle current amplifiers
 
The power draw of my E-650 is 154 watts as measured by my Kill-A-Watt meter. That’s comfortably within spec of any of the 500 series Accuphase power conditioners.
 
According to Accuphase, the E650 draws almost 170 watts at idle. The PS Audio products are noisey to begin with but they really begin to buzz as you draw some serious current. The PS1230 was dead silent at idle and while drawing just over 4 amps with a pair of 28B3’s. The Accuphase products are designed very well.
 
I’m likely not supposed to say this, but I have two 1230s for sale in the marketplace ....


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First post.

Just had to add Jay's Audio lab latest hammering on the e800, where he states it was the worst integrated he ever owned, it sounded like receiver.

Jay's Worst Of The Worst ! - YouTube

I have owned several Accuphase integrated, e450, e307 and now have e370 (with easy load Klipsch Heresy IV). None of them has been as powerful as other amplifiers I have owned like Chapter Precis 250, or ATC amp Packs, but the sound at low to moderate levels have always sounded more real and natural (acoustic instruments and voices) and more pleasant to listen to than most other amplifiers I have owned.
 
First post.

Just had to add Jay's Audio lab latest hammering on the e800, where he states it was the worst integrated he ever owned, it sounded like receiver.

Jay's Worst Of The Worst ! - YouTube

I have owned several Accuphase integrated, e450, e307 and now have e370 (with easy load Klipsch Heresy IV). None of them has been as powerful as other amplifiers I have owned like Chapter Precis 250, or ATC amp Packs, but the sound at low to moderate levels have always sounded more real and natural (acoustic instruments and voices) and more pleasant to listen to than most other amplifiers I have owned.
 
Thanks. This forum seems like a good place to discuss audio. So back to topic. How the heck could Accuphase biggest class A integrated e800 perfom so bad in his system, to be called the worst ever? Is he biased against the brand?

Actually I heard the e800 at the dealer both on Bryston and Legacy Audio speakers, playing rock and I was a bit underwhelmed. But that was compared to the same speakers on a separates with Carey tube preamp and Bryston power amplifier with more than 300W AB.

I guess it all comes down to system matching and synergier. Also, some brands are better at some types of music. In my experience Accuphase sounds more adjusted to jazz and blues than Rock and Metal with double bass drums.

Here is another review https://stereo-magazine.com/review/accuphase-e-800-review
 
Lieberung said:
Thanks. This forum seems like a good place to discuss audio. So back to topic. How the heck could Accuphase biggest class A integrated e800 perfom so bad in his system, to be called the worst ever? Is he biased against the brand?

Actually I heard the e800 at the dealer both on Bryston and Legacy Audio speakers, playing rock and I was a bit underwhelmed. But that was compared to the same speakers on a separates with Carey tube preamp and Bryston power amplifier with more than 300W AB.

I guess it all comes down to system matching and synergier. Also, some brands are better at some types of music. In my experience Accuphase sounds more adjusted to jazz and blues than Rock and Metal with double bass drums.

Here is another review Stereo Magazine: Integrated Amplifier Test
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What is there that's so different about the design of the E800 that made some early purchasers react in such a lukewarm way?
Could Accuphase have thought that this integrated amp was anything less than one of the best they've built?
 
I dont think that Jay is biased against Accuphase , you have to remember first of all that he has a lot of Equipment through his house so he has a much wider knowledge than most of us. Also important is that in US as far as i can tell from what people have been talking about here is that Accuphase cost a lot more in US than Europe.
I have an Accuphase E-470 myself which i am really happy with , but my interest to hear or try other amplifiers are there to see what the difference is. I would like a better soundstage and sometimes i have the impression that on music pieces where a lot is going on it can get "confused" as not giving a precise soundstage. I also know that it may partly be because my source is only an Lumin T1 ( hope to make it into an Lumin X1 in 2 months ) then i will at least be clear about the source , and what role it plays.
Maybe Mike knows something i dont remember if he had Accuphase in his shop then he would also be able to give his view.
 
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