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Agent86
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Newbie question here: How does the 6000T v2 compare with the Everest? The website says that this v2 has "updated v3 filtering." Performance-wise, is this essentially a more compact version of the Everest, i.e, with six outlets and only one ground connector? Is the idea that here the grounding connections would be handled by an Altaira?
kennyb123
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The Denali 6000/T v2 is essentially a tower version of the Denali 6000/S v2. The Everest will still be better.
Agent86
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Thanks, Kenny! If I can ask a follow up question: what's the website's comment about v3 filtering, though?
Puma Cat
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I don't know specifically, but if I were to hazard a guess, it means it has the latest "rev" of the "noise" filtering functionality, i.e., a quieter and better performing filtering functionality than Denali S/v2 (which why it had the designation "v2"). IIRC, Denali V2 came out in...2019? That was almost 4 years ago. And Shunyata is an "R&D-based company", so they're never standing still...the filtering "functionality" has evolved to "v3" rather than "v2" when Denali V2 came out. Just as Denali v2 was a big jump in perfomance over Denali v1.
kennyb123
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Yes likely the Noise Isolation Chambers (NIC). The original was in the Triton. The ferroelectric material in those chambers was made more effective so less of it was needed so the original Denali series was able to establish a new level of performance at that price. I think I recall it being referred to as NIC v2. The Denali v2 series and Everest then likely bumped it to NIC v3 (but of course they are much larger in the Everest). If I’m correct, what it essential means is greater noise reduction at a greater bang for the buck.
Puma Cat
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Yep. There you go. Thanks, Kenny.
I don't know specifically, but it's also possible the QR/BB device in (which is a "reservoir of charge" not a NR filter) may have also been refined, tweaked, or improved in v3 as well. They're never "standing still" with respect to R&D and improving functionalty and features. Even their plug receptacles have improved considerably over the years. I bought their little PS10 for powering the router, Roon Core computer, EtherREGEN and it's AfterDark master clock and associated LPS in the "remote server room" and, man! That thing grabs onto the plugs MUCH more tightly than my Triton v1.
Now that I think back on it, putting the remote server room gear on the PS10 made for a big jump in audio quality over using my old Hydra 4 to power the remote server room gear. That wasn't subtle, at all. :audiophile:
I have Everest powering all that supernumerary fluffery now, instead of direct to the wall. Everest does grab the Shunyata power cables very tightly. What's worse is using a US/AU adapter, they are almost impossible to extract from the cable cradle.
Agent86
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Gents, thanks for the very helpful insights! I'm thinking now that the smart move--at least from the "latest & greatest" perspective--would be to get the 6000T v2 rather than the Everest and use the cost savings to get an Altaira, as my understanding is that the Altaira has more advanced grounding capabilities than the Everest and it sounds like the new Denali tower should be fairly close to the Everest in terms of filtering tech, no??
Puma Cat
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Bear in mind that the primary and most important function for a power distributor is to...distribute power. More specifically, current to the components' power supplies when "under load" during dynamic and demanding musical passage (e.g, swings from piano to fortissimo). One of the primary functions of Shunyata power distributors is to deliver what they term DTCD: Dynamic Transient Current Delivery. The reason this function is important is because when the full-wave bridge rectifiers in components' power supplies snap open very quickly during dynamic passages, and pull hard on the AC mains, reactance can occur, which actually results in a drop of the amount of current that can be delivered to the power supply. The QR/BB device was specifically designed to address this, and functions as a reservoir of charge to "fill the gap" caused by the reactance. This provides the full-wave bridge rectifiers the charge they need to function optimally. This is also why power cables matter, as well.
The (noise) "filtering tech" reduces noise from the AC mains, e.g. from RF and EMI. The noise filtering tech also mitigates noise from the most significant contributor in an audio system: the power supplies of the components themselves.
From Shunyata Research on why power cables matter. The same principles discussed here apply to power distributors as well.
"A primary source of audible sonic degradation is caused by the power supplies in our audio/video components. Most components use FWBR (full wave bridge rectifier) power supplies that generate an incredible amount of transient noise when the rectifiers switch off. The design of a power cable can significantly affect the reactance of these signals within the power supply. The power cable is effectively part of the primary winding of the power transformer. The transition between the various metals used in a power cable and its connectors can cause electromagnetic reflections and diode-like rectification of the noise impulses as they propagate away from the power supply. If the power cable presents a high impedance to these signals they will be reflected back into the power supply where they will intermodulate, thus increasing the high frequency noise levels of the component. Most power supply filters are ineffective at blocking very high frequency noise components and much of it is passed through to the DC rails. The sonic effects of this include: high background noise levels, blurred or slurred transients and a general lack of clarity and purity of the sound or visual image.”
There are number of "traditional" ways to reduce noise, e.g. chokes, coils, etc (e.g. used by other power conditioner mfrs.), but these create problems in that they usually "suck the life" of the presentation, robbing it of dynamics, slam, and immediacy. You can obtain "noise filtering tech" from a Monster Cable power strip, the problem is it sounds like *ss.
So, wrapping up: it's not just about "filtering tech". It's about providing three principal functions: 1) DTCD 2) a reservoir of charge and 3) noise reduction). The key is provide these key functions "in balance" so that the power distributor functions "optimally". This is because there are no perfect transfer functions in the real world, some functions may "interact" with other key functions, and the hard work comes in finding an optimal balance for the key functions.
The Shunyata PDs also provide a 4th function, which is ground-plane noise reduction.
Agent86
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Good points to consider, Puma Cat! Here's what I'm trying to feed in my apartment in San Francisco with the somewhat sketchy urban power grid.
1) Integrated Amplifier: Pass Labs Int 60
2) DAC: Lampizator Baltic 3
3) Music Server: Antipodes K50;
4) Ethernet chain: Modem + clock-modified Melco S100 network switch (there are three Farad linear power supplies here, one for the modem @12v, and two for the switch/internal clock @ 12v and 5v)
5) Speakers: Verity Audio Amadis S;
1) Integrated Amplifier: Pass Labs Int 60
2) DAC: Lampizator Baltic 3
3) Music Server: Antipodes K50;
4) Ethernet chain: Modem + clock-modified Melco S100 network switch (there are three Farad linear power supplies here, one for the modem @12v, and two for the switch/internal clock @ 12v and 5v)
5) Speakers: Verity Audio Amadis S;
Puma Cat
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Nice!
BTW, I just sold my Baltic 3 DAC; it's a fantastic DAC. One of the best I've ever heard.
I think the new Denali 6000/T2 would meet your needs very well. Be sure to use good PCs for this sytem. If it's in your budget, I'd get (at least) Alpha XC for the Denali 6000/T2, Alpha NRv2 (or better) for your Pass and Lampi, Delta NRv2 for your Antipodes, and Venom NRv14 for the Ethernet chain.
I'm in the Bay Area, too, BTW.
Cheers.
kennyb123
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I like your thinking. I agree as well with Puma on power cords. Sweet system you have there.
@agent86 Based on conversations I've had with Shunyata, they'd advise spending money on the best power distributor, first, instead of doing it the way that you're contemplating.
Specifically, I asked if it would make sense to spend money on a T2 for my Denali 6000S v2 or Altaira and was told that the consensus was go for the T2 (and I am currently using a Typhon QR with the Denali) as it would make a bigger impact.
Specifically, I asked if it would make sense to spend money on a T2 for my Denali 6000S v2 or Altaira and was told that the consensus was go for the T2 (and I am currently using a Typhon QR with the Denali) as it would make a bigger impact.
kennyb123
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I had wondered about that and was even thinking of dropping them a mail. Thanks for sharing.
Agent86
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I'm still a little unclear what features specifically the Everest has that the newest 6000T2 does not. Isn't the Everest 2 years old at this point?
Puma Cat
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If I were to hazard a guess, it's that the QR/BB device in Everest is larger. I don't know about Denali 6000T/v2, but compared to the Denali 6000S/v2, the QR/BB dervice in Everest is 3X larger. Also, there are four ground terminals on Everest for connection to the GP-NR system vs. one. Plus, two additional receptacles, of course.
I'd suggest emailing [email protected] and asking him about it. As I understand it, they're only making 50 of these, so if you're interested, you may have to jump on it.
The Everest has these advantages over the Denali 6000/T v2:
- Larger QR/BB (approximately twice the size)
- CMode Filter (common mode filtering)
- GP-NR Grounding System (which is more advanced than the CGS system in the Denali)
The Denali has an integrated aluminum base which is an advantage for it.
They both use CopperCONN (pure copper outlets) and both have 6 CCI isolation zones.
The Denali 6000/T v2 is a massive improvement over the original Denali D6000/T and is a bit better than the Denali 6000/S v2 due to the integrated isolation base. Internally, electrically, they are identical.
YMMV, but in my opinion, the Denali 6000/T v2 has about 80% the performance of the Everest, if I were to generalize.
- Larger QR/BB (approximately twice the size)
- CMode Filter (common mode filtering)
- GP-NR Grounding System (which is more advanced than the CGS system in the Denali)
The Denali has an integrated aluminum base which is an advantage for it.
They both use CopperCONN (pure copper outlets) and both have 6 CCI isolation zones.
The Denali 6000/T v2 is a massive improvement over the original Denali D6000/T and is a bit better than the Denali 6000/S v2 due to the integrated isolation base. Internally, electrically, they are identical.
YMMV, but in my opinion, the Denali 6000/T v2 has about 80% the performance of the Everest, if I were to generalize.
Agent86
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Thank you, Caelin! And thank you all for helping me sort through my options here!