Psvane Replica WE845 tubes

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"$800.00 dollars for two lightbulbs? What's wrong with us."

That's what my friend Paul aka, BlueMcIntosh, said when I talked to him about these new tubes I was trying. I still get a chuckle from it and when I think about all the crazy and expensive, and sometimes crazy-expensive, products we audiophiles try.

Psvane WE845 Western Electric replica tubes. I have a couple in my amp right now thanks to Mike's Tube Store. At first the title seems strange to me since Western Electric never made an 845 tube but from what I understand this tube was voiced after another similar WE tube and has the internal structure of an RCA845. That's the holy grail 845 that I've heard about but are basically non-existent. Psvane has other WE replica tubes as well so it was probably easier for them to categorize them together instead of having this one in a place all by itself.

My LM218 came stock with regular Shuguang 845's which I upgraded to their 845B version. It was a while ago but I do remember a definite improvement with the "B's." I figured there would again be an improvement with the WE845's but really wasn't expecting anything too drastic. Mike told me the tubes had roughly 100 hours on them and should be broken it nicely. I put them in my amp, and powered it up with my finger on the on/off switch. Turning on my amp after putting in different 845's always makes me a bit anxious. Could it be the 1000 volts surging through? Yeah, something like that! There was an immediate difference in sound quality. The soundstage was bigger, the bass seemed deeper, there was more body and texture to everything. As I continued to listen and allowed the amp to warm up it was very apparent that these were some great tubes.

Over the past year or so I've been a vinyl convert but most of the music I use to gauge differences in sound quality are in the digital format. Even digital sounded good! I was listening to Radiohead's "The King of Limbs" and it had some great bass coming out, bass that I'm not used to hearing from my little two-way speakers. The songs also quietly run into one another but with the WE's I noticed it more easily. Later I figured out that the new tubes produce more volume than the old ones. Radiohead is known for producing songs with lots of layers and the more you listen the more you hear. With the WE tubes I could hear things in there that I've heard before but it was more detailed. I then put on the Bill Evans Trio "Waltz for Debby" and again, I could hear people talking and the glasses clanking in the background but instead of it sounding like a live recording it sounded like I was right there in the nightclub.

Overall I found these tubes produce great textures with the music. They are rich and smooth, produce nice depth and are so musical. I would recommend this line of tubes for anyone willing to pay the price. Now I have to find a way to tell Mike that they got lost in transit.

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Doug,
I have had a very bad experience with their high end EL34 tube, the Holland Replica.
I will never ever send them 10 dollars for anything.
I hope your tubes will still be strong in a few months.


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Sorry to hear that Jerome. How long after you received the tubes did they go bad? The distributor didn't send you replacements?



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First tubes were faulty without even trying them !
Plate not connected !
Replacement tubes went bad after a month.
I just put them aside and forgot my 700 euros....


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I had issues early on until I started buying from Grant Fidelity. Rachel tests all tubes before she ships them to me. Not one problem....

Before that, I bought on eBay and some other places and 50% were faulty - just like you found Jerome - bases not connected....tubes blowing or not lasting long at all.

I learned the hard way - pay just a little more and buy from someone who will stand behind the product. Rachel at Grant Fidelity has been great.

As a side, if anyone knows Ian at Grant Fidelity, he is not well. Last I heard he was in hospice. So sad.
 
On a side note the replacement tubes were sent by Grant Fidelity.
First tubes were bought on the Psvane site.
They lost me for ever as a customer. I just do not trust anymore their quality control.


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WE made the 242 for the 43a amp that looks and sound closer to a RCA 211 , RCA made the 845 and 211.
The 43a amp is not considered among the best from WE neither the we 242 tubes.
If you have to clone a WE tube , the ones to go are: WE300A/B , 205 and 274a/B rectifiers
 
nice write up doug!!! i also shop at Mikes Tube Store. great selection there.lol. i actually had to order a new pair of tubes before i sent mike back his psvane 300b's, because going back to the electro harmonics was not even an option after hearing the others.
so when are you buying a pair?? :) did you roll any of your other tubes while the WE's were in there?? just curious.
 
WE made the 242 for the 43a amp that looks and sound closer to a RCA 211 , RCA made the 845 and 211.
The 43a amp is not considered among the best from WE neither the we 242 tubes.
If you have to clone a WE tube , the ones to go are: WE300A/B , 205 and 274a/B rectifiers

According to the Grant Fidelity website this tube was based off of the WE284A. Do you have any experience with that tube?
 
nice write up doug!!! i also shop at Mikes Tube Store. great selection there.lol. i actually had to order a new pair of tubes before i sent mike back his psvane 300b's, because going back to the electro harmonics was not even an option after hearing the others.
so when are you buying a pair?? :) did you roll any of your other tubes while the WE's were in there?? just curious.

It's gonna be hard going back to the old tubes that's for sure. I didn't change any of the other tubes in the amp. It sounded so good I didn't even think to do so, but I still have time to try that out. In addition to the 845's, I'm using RCA 6V6G's and Telefunken 12AX7's. Not too shabby tubes either. ;)
 
According to the Grant Fidelity website this tube was based off of the WE284A. Do you have any experience with that tube?

I´m afraid not. Had several complete and working WE amps , like the 46b/c , 86 ( 1086) , 91, even a 92 and 41-42-43 but never the 87 in stock condition.
Just been reading about that tube , new for me .
 
hmmm i remember someone saying Mike should charge me by the hour for testing his tubes, i think the same holds true here.lmao!!! so did you switch back and what is missing? and how long until you order a pair.lol.
 
I have just added Psvane WE845 to my Line Magnetic 219IA. I didn't notice a great change given it already sounds fantastic,and will put a few hours on them before a final comment!
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Psvane tubes can sound great in some amps. Their 12AX7 seems to be very popular right now.
But please be careful when buying Psvane tubes. Buy only from a reputable dealer, who tests them and warranties them. Of all the tube brands I've dealt with (that's just about everybody's) the Psvanes have had the highest failure rate. The 211 and 845 being the worst. A good dealer is a must.
 
Their 12AX7 seems to be very popular right now.
But please be careful when buying Psvane tubes. Buy only from a reputable dealer, who tests them and warranties them. Of all the tube brands I've dealt with (that's just about everybody's) the Psvanes have had the highest failure rate. The 211 and 845 being the worst. A good dealer is a must.

I'm new to tubes and on a steep learning curve.I also have the Psvane 12AX7Mk2.When I first fitted the Psvane WE845 the fuse blew!I tried a couple more times and still blew.After replacing my last fuse I put the original 845 in and it worked.Seller was happy to replace but mentioned to check the earth caps on the 310 tubes.So after getting more fuses checking the 310 earth caps the Psvane WE845 fired up and now have about 15 hours on them.Once I get to 50hrs I should be ready for years of listening pleasure!!:scholar:
Stump
 
stump, where & who did you get the tubes from if i may be so blunt, as I am about to go through the exact same thing with mine when it arrives & as I'd like to respond to a very friendly & timely act of kindness from Oscar I'd like to ask of his opinion too. Are you talking of the reco from Bill?
 
I bought a pair of Psvane 2A3-T (with the black coating) from Grant Fidelity a couple of years ago, to replace a pair of Shuguang Treasure 2A3 which I bought from Grant in 2009. I estimate that I have close to 10,000 hours on the Psvane tubes, after getting around the same with the Shuguangs. I met Ian Grant and his partner Rachel in 2009 when they exhibited at the Dagogo California Audio Show in the East Bay and bought the Shuguang Treasures to replace my KR 2A3's, which had gotten astronomical in price. I was very pleased with their performance, but when I talked to Rachel about replacing them two years ago, she told me that the Shuguangs had some major quality control issues after a change in management. I switched to the Psvane which was staffed by some of the leadership staff who had left Shuguang.

Anyway, I have been very pleased with both the sound and how well the Psvane tubes have lasted (about 16 hours a day, 300 days a year for close to 2 years).

Ian Grant passed away from lung cancer on July 31st. His partner Rachel is continuing the business, according to the website. I didn't have any issues with either the Shuguang or Psvane tubes that I bought from Grant Fidelity. Unfortunately, their website shows that the Psvane 2A3 tubes are currently out of stock.

Larry
 
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