PS Audio P20 vs Denali 6000/S V2?

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Hi team,

Living in central Tokyo I have reasonably clean power but my current P10 was still a major improvement when I added to my system 6 or 7 years ago. I am considering finding him a successor at some point.

I was wondering whether someone had compared the PS Audio P20 to the Shunyata Research Denali 6000/S V2?

I understand of course that they are 2 very different beasts, but their objective is the same, which is to bring the best possible AC current into our amps, etc...

I am aware that Shunyata is about to come up with their Everst 8000/T which should be interesting too.

Thank you.

Regards,
Bernard
 
Caveat. I haven't owned a PS Audio P20 but I have owned PPP, P3, P5 and P10. Every one broke down multiple times. Read the PS Owner forums. Pages and pages of reports from multiple PS owners with stuff that doesn't work properly, or not at all. And promised features that never eventuate. Even brand new stuff not working out of the box. Probably hundreds of reports. If you're in the US issues can be promptly dealt with. If you're an international customer your support mileage can vary. The company has a mostly popular following, and they are engaging with their customers probably more than any other company. Then go and read the Shunyata owner forums here. I don't' recall a single instance of anything Shunyata breaking down. My order would go to Shunyata without hesitation. I've owned too much junk PS Audio stuff over the years to consider buying another one of their power plant regenerators.
 
Thanks.

My personal experience with my P10 so far has been ok but I may have been lucky. I have indeed read quite many reports from unhappy customers.

The Shunyata route is clearly very appealing.

Cheers,
Bernard
 
I have a Shunyata Denali on order. It will replace a PS Audio power plant which doesn't work properly. I did order a P20 over a year ago but cancelled the order before delivery when reports of P20's with various issues started appearing on the PS forums. It was looking like more of the same, just not worth persisting with such problematic stuff.
 
I once had a P5, then P10 for few months and eventually replaced it with 6000T. The improvement is not subtle. To be fair, my P5 and P10 never bothered me as they too work in cleaning power, just not the way I prefer or as much as Denali (V1). Reportedly V2 is better than V1.
 
This hobby is subjective for sure and system synergy is more ideal than one specific component. However, many well agree that Shunyata is better engineered power product. PS audio wants to be the direct reseller of your whole audio chain. Single vendor approach from outlet to speakers.

Shunyata's main business and expertise is power and signal transmission. Look at the patents and the years of refinement in removing distortion from their products.

Shunyata is State of the Art on this area and their continued refinement of their product portfolio is impressive.

The resale value of Shunyata power products is evidence to this over the other brand.
 
Years back I had a P10, no issues, other than it could not handle the load on one occasion but I was rocking at 75%, rightfully so.

Each have their place, different price points for different applications.

Preferably in my application Shunyata out performed the regenerator allowing more energized current to support driving the system.

Plus Shunyata offers other items in support of the electrical foundation - lots of info on this here, magazines and on their site.

For those that can, trying is best as not only is the home subjective, so to is the listener.



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bernardl said:
Hi team,

Living in central Tokyo I have reasonably clean power but my current P10 was still a major improvement when I added to my system 6 or 7 years ago. I am considering finding him a successor at some point.

I was wondering whether someone had compared the PS Audio P20 to the Shunyata Research Denali 6000/S V2?

I understand of course that they are 2 very different beasts, but their objective is the same, which is to bring the best possible AC current into our amps, etc...

I am aware that Shunyata is about to come up with their Everst 8000/T which should be interesting too.

Thank you.

Regards,
Bernard
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I haven't heard the P20, but I have a Denali V2 and it is quite amazing. Unlike other power distributors, there is no impact on dynamic transient current delivery (DTCD) by the considerable noise reduction that Denali provides. As far as I know, all other power distributors/conditioners use coils, inductors or chokes to provide noise reduction. This does work, but it has a notable negative impact on dynamic transient current delivery. The result is often a lack of immediacy and speed and scaling of dynamics and a "dark" sound. Some PDs get around this by having a pair of "high current" sockets that do not provide NR for powering amps and the like so they don't sound compressed or dark.

With Shunyata's power distributors, you get both. This is exceptionally hard to do from an engineering standpoint, and in this respect, IMHO, Denali V2 represents breaking through a set long-standing functional conflicts.

And...no other power distributor has a QR/BB device...what this device does for music reproduction is unparalleled, providing a 3D-holographic-like image and soundstage (where you are IN the recording studio or orchestra, not just "watching it" in a "proscenium setting"), as well as huge dynamic reserves where each instrument can be heard individually and fully articulated and delineated against the backdrop of the overall orchestra, band, group, or "voices".
 
kzhtoo said:
I once had a P5, then P10 for few months and eventually replaced it with 6000T. The improvement is not subtle. To be fair, my P5 and P10 never bothered me as they too work in cleaning power, just not the way I prefer or as much as Denali (V1). Reportedly V2 is better than V1.
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Denali v2 represents a signficant upgrade over Denali V1. Not the least of which is full CCI on each socket, and a considerably larger QR/BB device.
 
Puma Cat said:
Denali v2 represents a signficant upgrade over Denali V1. Not the least of which is full CCI on each socket, and a considerably larger QR/BB device.
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[emoji106] Yes, that’s what I understand. It’ll be either V2 or Everest some time down the road. My only caveat is I’d want 6000T V2 but that does not seem to be happening.
 
I’m an active participant on the PS Audio forums and I currently own 7 pieces of PS Audio gear. With all of this gear over the years I have only had an amp that required a trip to mother. It was handled painlessly and expeditiously. I think you hear about problems on an open forum where people aren’t censored and air some gripes. The squeaky wheel gets attention so to speak. As for the P20 - Denali comparison, they do different things. It would depend on your quality of electricity and the demands of your system. Both are good products with different approaches to cleaning and stabilizing your power. Now as for PS Audio gear on 220/240 V I would be cautious. They seem to have issues with products that run on those voltages. Japan is 100V so good enough hopefully.
 
Thank you all for your great feedbacks.

Another thing that makes me lean towards Shunyata is the more reasonable weight and bulk as well as reduced power consumption overhead.

I will probably wait for Everest official announcement anyways to see where it fits budgetwise.

Thanks again.

Regards,
Bernard
 
I own both a PS Audio P10 and a P20 that I bought directly from PS Audio. I have had zero problems with either unit. I've found PS Audio's customer support to always be outstanding.
 
stax said:
I own both a PS Audio P10 and a P20 that I bought directly from PS Audio. I have had zero problems with either unit. I've found PS Audio's customer support to always be outstanding.
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Very glad to hear it and that you've been happy with your experience.

Putting on my Six Sigma Black Belt hat on here for a moment, though...;)

One cannot draw any statistically valid interences regading product line quality from a sample N of 1.

A business needs to be doing two key things to assess overall product quality: 1) capability analysis during Operations and 2) statistical process control charting on manufactured items to make any statistically valid inferences about product quality from day to day, lot to lot, etc.
 
I'm not sure I understand. It's my direct experience with the products and the service of the company..nothing more and nothing less.

Puma Cat said:
Very glad to hear it and that you've been happy with your experience.

Putting on my Six Sigma Black Belt hat on here for a moment, though...;)

One cannot draw any statistically valid interences regading product line quality from a sample N of 1.

A business needs to be doing two key things to assess overall product quality: 1) capability analysis during Operations and 2) statistical process control charting on manufactured items to make any statistically valid inferences about product quality from day to day, lot to lot, etc.
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stax said:
I'm not sure I understand. It's my direct experience with the products and the service of the company..nothing more and nothing less.
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What I am saying is that one cannot make statements about the overall quality of a company's products from a sample N of 1. One has to have a statistically informative sample N to make any meaningful and statistically valid inferences about product quality.
 
stax said:
I'm not sure I understand. It's my direct experience with the products and the service of the company..nothing more and nothing less.
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If's great that you have had a positive experience and are happy with your products.

A single customer's experience, though, either positive or negative, is not a large enough sample size to make any statistically valid inferences about a company's overall product quality.
 
We know that at least 2 PS audio power plant users have not had issues. :-)

But yes, this thread won’t allow us to get a view of how widespread their problems are. It seems clear that they have had some quality issues which can be very annoying with extremely heavy units such as the P20.

I would still be interested in feedbacks regarding the respective benefits in terms of power cleaning from those having compared the P20 and Denali 6000/S V2.

Regards,
Bernard
 
Statistically speaking you are of course correct. We need to stop mentioning our own one-off experiences with our equipment since we are not able to make statistically valid inferences each time we do. I'm also happy with my Shunyata Sigma NR and Alpha NR power cables...great products though I have no experience with their power conditioners:D.
Puma Cat said:
If's great that you have had a positive experience and are happy with your products.

A single customer's experience, though, either positive or negative, is not a large enough sample size to make any statistically valid inferences about a company's overall product quality.
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