MW real 101 setup and initial thoughts

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So I got everything together and out of the boxes on Thursday , did a decent setup and received the last of the shipment Friday morn. Spent the rest of the day dialing the cartridge. And hardest for me was to setup the tonearm . Having only owned vpi in my life. I didn't realize the tonearm height was also something to adjust properly. So I messed with that for most of the day listening to different height positions and came up with a spot I like. Then After all that , I went back and re aligned the cartridge.

The table is very odd to say the least. The feet which there are only 3 are not actually connected to the table, but have long thin posts on top that slide up through a rubber channel and suspend the plinth . The motor is very cool and has a strobe that works with the ring clamp and has knobs to instantly adjust the motor to perfect speed. The motor sits away from the table and plugs in underneath the platter. That plug spins a spindle which in turn runs a belt that is all happening under the platter. So no motor vibration whatsoever can interfere with the operation.
The record weight is kinda funny looking with the big ball on top. But when you feel it you know why. It's dense heavy rubber , and the weight really makes the record stable on the platter. And I'm guessing the rubber weight has something g to do with deadening any vibration from the spindle. Fit and finish is very nice!!! The rubber /aluminum plinth is machined perfectly. The platter is heavy and thick and the soft rubber/cork mat is not removable.
The tonearm is different for me . No uni pivot just feels weird to me still.
But this is very nicely made, it does easily adjust up and down and the sound goes from thin and bright, to thick and muddy depending on where you set it. The vta is easily adjustable I'm tracking at 2.7 grams and it seems to be the best weight so far.
It also has an anti skate adjustment knob which I just put a touch up to keep pressure off the inner groove of the record. It feels shorter than just a 10" classic arm that I am used to. Even though it's 9".
The removable headshell is very cool the way you just twist the arm knob and it tightens to the armtube. I was skeptical of this and now that I see how it works I have no worries.
I do not like the straight din connection, which has to go up the bottom of the table and through the base into the bottom of the arm spindle. Which means to make a tight connection I have to pull the whole arm out of the base . My least favorite thing about this whole setup is that straight din.

Overall this is not as funny looking in person as it is in pics. Lol.
Now the sound , most of my listening has been while doing adjustments and
Now that it's setup i am busy and not home all weekend. So my serious listening has not begun yet and I will do a review on it as soon as I have a few hours on it.
But just for starters I'm very happy, it instantly seems darker backgrounds lead the way to a better more open soundstage. Much more inner detail . And one thing I'm shocked is the bass. It's not as deep as the vpi was but it's so much more defined and tightened up. I'm sure that also adds to the soundstage . I have not dialed in enough to go any deeper into a sound review yet. I bought so many new records for this day I still haven't went through the familiar records yet. I'm waiting for about 20-30 hours before I start seriously listening.
If you read all this thanks!!!
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Very nice Steve

You own the Ortofon Cadenza Black right? The recommended tracking weight is between 2.0 and 2.5gms. 2.7g is not a little high as it is out of Ortofon's specs ?

Cheers
 
Very nice Steve

You own the Ortofon Cadenza Black right? The recommended tracking weight is between 2.0 and 2.5gms. 2.7g is not a little high as it is out of Ortofon's specs ?

Cheers
Yes it is , I'm not quite set there yet as I been going back and fourth with the tonearm up and down and it's changing the tracking force a little. Think I'd be settling in the 2.25-2.5'range but I haven't got crazy about it yet. I figure I can work all that stuff out tomm. Cause I haven't got much listening time in yet . And today I don't get any listening time .
 
Congratulations on finally getting everything together, I know it's been a long time coming. Glad to hear that you're progressing with the setup, now dialing it all in to optimize the performance can take some time. Hang in there and you'll get it but the process should not be rushed. You must be working too hard, and hopefully that will earn you more money for all of these expensive toys we enjoy so much. Enjoy the tunes!!!
 
Rock on Stever! Great looking table! You have always wanted this baby.....
 
Looks great Steve! It's been a long time coming. I like the looks and the technology with all the rubber to keep vibrations at a minimum. I'm still trying to figure out how the feet work, can you take one off and take some more pictures?!!! The removable headshell is right up your alley with being able to buy some extras for different cartridges. Let's see, a nice Grado, a Lyra Titan mono, maybe a sweet Van den hul, oh and don't forget a Benz LP! Now you need to get home and park yourself on the couch for a few days and get the baby dialed in!
 
Looks great Steve! It's been a long time coming. I like the looks and the technology with all the rubber to keep vibrations at a minimum. I'm still trying to figure out how the feet work, can you take one off and take some more pictures?!!! The removable headshell is right up your alley with being able to buy some extras for different cartridges. Let's see, a nice Grado, a Lyra Titan mono, maybe a sweet Van den hul, oh and don't forget a Benz LP! Now you need to get home and park yourself on the couch for a few days and get the baby dialed in!
Yes thanks so much everyone!!! I'm still not home to enjoy this yet but I will be in a couple hours and nothing to do for the next few days. I will work on the setup and I'll get some pics of one of the feet off of the table for you Doug!! Can't wait to go listen to some tunes tonight .
 
Yes!!! Thanks guys . Bob I love my preamp. ;) as for the rack it is thick and stable but I'm thinking about painting it a different color.
Thx again everyone!!!
 
So I got everything together and out of the boxes on Thursday , did a decent setup and received the last of the shipment Friday morn. Spent the rest of the day dialing the cartridge. And hardest for me was to setup the tonearm . Having only owned vpi in my life. I didn't realize the tonearm height was also something to adjust properly. So I messed with that for most of the day listening to different height positions and came up with a spot I like. Then After all that , I went back and re aligned the cartridge.

The table is very odd to say the least. The feet which there are only 3 are not actually connected to the table, but have long thin posts on top that slide up through a rubber channel and suspend the plinth . The motor is very cool and has a strobe that works with the ring clamp and has knobs to instantly adjust the motor to perfect speed. The motor sits away from the table and plugs in underneath the platter. That plug spins a spindle which in turn runs a belt that is all happening under the platter. So no motor vibration whatsoever can interfere with the operation.
The record weight is kinda funny looking with the big ball on top. But when you feel it you know why. It's dense heavy rubber , and the weight really makes the record stable on the platter. And I'm guessing the rubber weight has something g to do with deadening any vibration from the spindle. Fit and finish is very nice!!! The rubber /aluminum plinth is machined perfectly. The platter is heavy and thick and the soft rubber/cork mat is not removable.
The tonearm is different for me . No uni pivot just feels weird to me still.
But this is very nicely made, it does easily adjust up and down and the sound goes from thin and bright, to thick and muddy depending on where you set it. The vta is easily adjustable I'm tracking at 2.7 grams and it seems to be the best weight so far.
It also has an anti skate adjustment knob which I just put a touch up to keep pressure off the inner groove of the record. It feels shorter than just a 10" classic arm that I am used to. Even though it's 9".
The removable headshell is very cool the way you just twist the arm knob and it tightens to the armtube. I was skeptical of this and now that I see how it works I have no worries.
I do not like the straight din connection, which has to go up the bottom of the table and through the base into the bottom of the arm spindle. Which means to make a tight connection I have to pull the whole arm out of the base . My least favorite thing about this whole setup is that straight din.

Overall this is not as funny looking in person as it is in pics. Lol.
Now the sound , most of my listening has been while doing adjustments and
Now that it's setup i am busy and not home all weekend. So my serious listening has not begun yet and I will do a review on it as soon as I have a few hours on it.
But just for starters I'm very happy, it instantly seems darker backgrounds lead the way to a better more open soundstage. Much more inner detail . And one thing I'm shocked is the bass. It's not as deep as the vpi was but it's so much more defined and tightened up. I'm sure that also adds to the soundstage . I have not dialed in enough to go any deeper into a sound review yet. I bought so many new records for this day I still haven't went through the familiar records yet. I'm waiting for about 20-30 hours before I start seriously listening.
If you read all this thanks!!!
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Congrats Steve...........looks very cool:audiophile:
 
I guess I should have put this thread In The review section but it's not a real review just my thoughts on the table.'
I got about 50 hours on this setup now. They say the cartridge is broken in at 50 hours. But my cadenza blue was way better at 100 hours than it was at 50.
So I'm guessing the black would be similar.
First I don't like the ring clamp at all, which I should have figured, I bought a ring clamp for my classic 1 in the past and sold it 2 weeks later. This is the same, if your not careful when you drop the arm down it'll hit the side and shoot the cartridge out onto the record.
And you really can't get it to the very begining of the record with it on.
Tracking ended up at 2.5, at 2.3 it sounds really great on some things and super tight bass but a little thin on some stuff. At 2.5 everything sound wonderful and the bass which is still tight and accurate is a little deeper and the sound is much fuller.
I spent 2 weeks adjusting and readjusting the cartridge and tonearm .
I finally nailed it , stylus contacts the arc perfectly in every position and aligns perfect with all the lines . My arm does not have an azimuth adjustment but it looks to be right.
The sound right now is off the hook!!! I'm hearing things I haven't heard in the past.
The layers of music is incredible. You would think running vinyl with a low output mc, a tube pre, tube amps, and sonus fabers That my system would lean to warm and romantic. It does but not as much as you would think. Which is more of a testimony to the speakers. Those things rock!!!
Anyway the thing that surprises me most is the bass. Both my present speakers and my previous speakers put out plenty of bass, but with this table in place the bass has tightened and is so coherent now it's amazing. Seems to quiet down the whole soundstage and I never realized how over emphasized the bass was in my previous system. Now I hear everything.
Of course with 7" woofers, it's not the last word in deep bass. But it good enough and is all there when you need it. Overall it's a great upgrade and with new table/ cartridge/ and speakers it's an enormous upgrade over my previous setup.
I can't compare Merrill /cadenza black to classic1/ cadenza blue.
Because they way too different from each other. I can say this cartridge is worth the extra $$ over the blue.
 
That's awesome Steve. I'm glad it's turned out to be even better than you were expecting. Bass is a funny thing isn't it? Most people think they want thundering bass but when they get something that gives them nice accurate, tight bass they realize that what they had before was just muddy sounding and way too boomy. I'm with you, I'll take bass that's not as deep but better sounding any day of the week.

Rock on! :crackedout:
 
Hey Steve, I'm pleased but not surprised how much you're enjoying your new setup. It's always nice when an upgrade exceeds your expectations, as Doug also stated above. Enjoy!!!
 
So Steve it's been a month since you first starting spinning vinyl on this new table. Any more thoughts on it now that the honeymoon is over? Do you still have it or has it been sold? :P
 
So Steve it's been a month since you first starting spinning vinyl on this new table. Any more thoughts on it now that the honeymoon is over? Do you still have it or has it been sold? :P
hey doug i just saw this!!! sorry. yea this table is a badass and a great value and the cartridge combo is to die for. i never thought i could get this quality of sound in my budget.id have to spend alot more money to get just a little bit better performance, and i dont think its worth it. im stuck between the rock and a hardplace thing. i would keep this forever but i think ineed to upgrade the tonearm to my love the triplanar, but i lose the quick change cartridge capability of the ortofon which i will need in the near future. so whats a guy to do. oh hey i just found this tasty tidbit. lmao
wonder if i can upgrade. it seems to have the same list price as mine. might be a misprint.

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