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Thread: Speaker break-in
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August 16, 2015, 05:18 PM #1
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Speaker break-in
What are the general thoughts on speaker break-in out there?
I have a new pair of Totem Model-1 Sigs. Totem recommends (I believe) a 300 hour break-in period.
Anyone else owned these speakers/experienced dramatic changes over the break in period?
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August 16, 2015, 06:29 PM #2
Re: Speaker break-in
My Forest took about 500 hours to get used to the sounds...uh... I mean break in LOL
Paul
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August 16, 2015, 06:36 PM #3
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Re: Speaker break-in
Haha. Yup.
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August 16, 2015, 06:42 PM #4
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I remember when I upgraded my speakers from PSB Synchrony One to Aerial Acoustics 7T my first thought was, "I paid 10k for this." Basically, this was because they sounded like the PSBs. However, a few weeks later one night I was listening and I sat up straight since it just hit me that they were now sounding much better. Now, a few years later they still sound great as the fronts in the HT, secondary stereo.
Bud
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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August 16, 2015, 06:44 PM #5
Re: Speaker break-in
KobeeDog.......My PMC EB1i speakers in the living room system settled into a permanent voice at about 150 hours and haven't changed a bit since then. My Sonus faber Amati Anniversario speakers in the studio system took quite a few more hours. I felt they reached their permanent voice at about 300 hours, maybe a little more. I believe the biggest part of speaker break-in is having the suspension systems flex and relax into a state where no additional settling takes place. There is really no way to speed it up, either. Just play lots of music at various volume levels until you sense there are no longer any changes in what you hear.
Dan
STUDIO - McIntosh C1000C/P, MC2301 (2), MR88, Aurender N10, Esoteric K-01X, Shunyata Sigma spdif digital coax, Sonos Connect, Stillpoints Ultra SS & Ultra Mini, PurePower 2000, Furutech Flux 50, Michell Gyro SE, Michell HR Power Supply, SME 309, Ortofon Cadenza Black, Sonus faber Amati Anniversario
LIVING ROOM - McIntosh C2300, MC75 (2), MR85, Magnum Dynalab 205 Signal Sleuth, Sonos Connect, Simaudio MOON Neo 260D-T, Schiit Audio Yggdrasil, Aurender N100H, Shunyata Sigma USB cable, Sony DAT 60ES, Nakamichi BX-300, Micro Seiki DD40 w/m505A tonearm, Ortofon Cadenza Blue, PS Audio P10, Furutech Flux 50, Stillpoints Ultra Mini, PMC EB1i, JL Audio f113
VINTAGE - McIntosh 4300V, McIntosh MA230, Tandberg 3011A tuner, Olive 04HD, JBL 4312A
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August 16, 2015, 06:45 PM #6
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Re: Speaker break-in
Been careful not to turn them up too loud so far. I have probably 50 hours on them so far. Not that I'm keeping track that obsessively.
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August 30, 2015, 01:12 AM #7
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Re: Speaker break-in
I have 5 pairs of speakers and I keep swaping them every week or so.
My point is , I normally lose track of break-in hours after few swaps.
Some speakers , such as Spendor, sounds just great out of the box and improves only slightly afterwards.
For the ATC SCM19 I currently have, it' been almost 3 years now (on and off) and only last week they started sounding right to me.
I heared Dynaudio also has the same xxx hour break in period.
Esoteric K-05,Oppo BDP 95, Cocktail Audio X50
Accuphase C-2420,Mark levinson 532h,NuPrime IDA8, Line Magnetic 210IA(300B) & AS-125(211)
Sonus Faber Guarneri Evo, Raidho X-1,ELAC 310ib, Elac 203.2,Acoustic Energy AE1 Classic, Spendor 3/5 SE
Nordost Tyr2&Red dawn xlr,Analysis Plus Big Silver, Cardas Clear Power x 2,NBS Blk Label2,Voodoo Fire Dragon,Furutech Flux50x2 etc.
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August 30, 2015, 01:56 AM #8Bud
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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August 30, 2015, 11:47 PM #9
Re: Speaker break-in
Let's see if we can make some sense of this.
Can a driver "break in" after one MILLION cycles at a fairly loud volume?
Even at a low frequency of 20 Hz, that happens in a brief 13.89 hours. A tweeter at 20,000 Hz should require 50 seconds.
Put on some full spectrum noise, go visit some friends, come home at the end of the day to fully broken in speakers.
Beyond that, YOU need time to get used to them.Listening Room: McIntosh C46, MEN220, MCD500, MR78-Modafferi modified, MPI4, MC602 (2), Pass Labs XVR1 (three-way), tri-amplified Infinity IRS Series V, TailTwister T2X rotator, AtlasSound FMA Rack, dedicated electrical sub-panel, NO TV!
Living Room: McIntosh C28, MC2300, Revox B226, Tascam CD355, Thorens TD125 MKII w/vacuum platter, Rabco SL-8E, Grace F9-E, McIntosh ML-2C (2) & ML-1C (4) stacked, MQ-107, SAE 2800, Nakamichi Dragon, Tandberg 64X, JL Audio f113 (2), NO TV!
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August 31, 2015, 12:59 AM #10
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Re: Speaker break-in
Esoteric K-05,Oppo BDP 95, Cocktail Audio X50
Accuphase C-2420,Mark levinson 532h,NuPrime IDA8, Line Magnetic 210IA(300B) & AS-125(211)
Sonus Faber Guarneri Evo, Raidho X-1,ELAC 310ib, Elac 203.2,Acoustic Energy AE1 Classic, Spendor 3/5 SE
Nordost Tyr2&Red dawn xlr,Analysis Plus Big Silver, Cardas Clear Power x 2,NBS Blk Label2,Voodoo Fire Dragon,Furutech Flux50x2 etc.
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August 31, 2015, 06:12 PM #11
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August 31, 2015, 06:14 PM #12
Re: Speaker break-in
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
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August 31, 2015, 07:31 PM #13
Re: Speaker break-in
The gospel of the gurus has been spoken. No reason to look any deeper into this topic. The truth, that elusive truth, has finally been revealed and we have been set free.
I don't know about the rest of you but I'm feeling better already. . .
Dan
STUDIO - McIntosh C1000C/P, MC2301 (2), MR88, Aurender N10, Esoteric K-01X, Shunyata Sigma spdif digital coax, Sonos Connect, Stillpoints Ultra SS & Ultra Mini, PurePower 2000, Furutech Flux 50, Michell Gyro SE, Michell HR Power Supply, SME 309, Ortofon Cadenza Black, Sonus faber Amati Anniversario
LIVING ROOM - McIntosh C2300, MC75 (2), MR85, Magnum Dynalab 205 Signal Sleuth, Sonos Connect, Simaudio MOON Neo 260D-T, Schiit Audio Yggdrasil, Aurender N100H, Shunyata Sigma USB cable, Sony DAT 60ES, Nakamichi BX-300, Micro Seiki DD40 w/m505A tonearm, Ortofon Cadenza Blue, PS Audio P10, Furutech Flux 50, Stillpoints Ultra Mini, PMC EB1i, JL Audio f113
VINTAGE - McIntosh 4300V, McIntosh MA230, Tandberg 3011A tuner, Olive 04HD, JBL 4312A
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August 31, 2015, 07:45 PM #14
Re: Speaker break-in
Bud
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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August 31, 2015, 08:28 PM #15
Re: Speaker break-in
IMO, absolutely. I've heard hundreds of pair of speakers that we've built. Within 30 minutes they're 95% of the way there, after 2-3 days of run time they're always 100%. People's auditory recollection is poor, even the best listeners, which explains all you need to know about the myth of these extended break-in periods.
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August 31, 2015, 09:46 PM #16
Re: Speaker break-in
How could they even design something if prototypes took 1000+hours (that's 7 weeks 24/7) to break in?
We'd still be waiting for the first production run.
When you pay $200-225k for a pair of speakers, and they don't sound as wonderful to you at home as they sounded at the dealer when you decided to plunk down the cash, they need a reason to explain why.
Your room and your ears are the greatest variables in the system.Listening Room: McIntosh C46, MEN220, MCD500, MR78-Modafferi modified, MPI4, MC602 (2), Pass Labs XVR1 (three-way), tri-amplified Infinity IRS Series V, TailTwister T2X rotator, AtlasSound FMA Rack, dedicated electrical sub-panel, NO TV!
Living Room: McIntosh C28, MC2300, Revox B226, Tascam CD355, Thorens TD125 MKII w/vacuum platter, Rabco SL-8E, Grace F9-E, McIntosh ML-2C (2) & ML-1C (4) stacked, MQ-107, SAE 2800, Nakamichi Dragon, Tandberg 64X, JL Audio f113 (2), NO TV!
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August 31, 2015, 10:59 PM #17
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August 31, 2015, 11:03 PM #18
Re: Speaker break-in
The whole thing.
The crossover is a passive device.
The drivers at least have moving parts.Listening Room: McIntosh C46, MEN220, MCD500, MR78-Modafferi modified, MPI4, MC602 (2), Pass Labs XVR1 (three-way), tri-amplified Infinity IRS Series V, TailTwister T2X rotator, AtlasSound FMA Rack, dedicated electrical sub-panel, NO TV!
Living Room: McIntosh C28, MC2300, Revox B226, Tascam CD355, Thorens TD125 MKII w/vacuum platter, Rabco SL-8E, Grace F9-E, McIntosh ML-2C (2) & ML-1C (4) stacked, MQ-107, SAE 2800, Nakamichi Dragon, Tandberg 64X, JL Audio f113 (2), NO TV!
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August 31, 2015, 11:10 PM #19
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So what are we talking about 48-72 hrs run time , i would normally agree with that , if by 80 hrs its not good then possibly never , but , i have also experienced drivers breaking in sonically much later than and did require approx another 100-120 hrs to exhibit some sonic consistency , agree 1000 hrs sounds pretty far fetched by some Margin and less face it, if it sounds bad after 3-5 days , it will not turn into Nirvana 1000 hrs later ...
Regards
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August 31, 2015, 11:19 PM #20
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The drivers are electro mechanical and do need to have some settling taking place for consistency, xovers will need burn in to form the caps, wires and coils , coils are resonant basturds too , so they do need time to form . Breaking in of audio Components is real , im sure this is not whats being questioned, appear most have issues with the excessive break in hrs necessary by most manufacturers , prolly calculated to beat the return policy
regards
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September 1, 2015, 08:04 AM #21
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Speaker breakin = 72 hrs or less
Listener breakin - days or weeks or months depending on your state of mind and the current justification for spending the price of a car for speakers2chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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September 1, 2015, 08:31 AM #22
Re: Speaker break-in
I wonder what Raidho owners think of the 72 hours or less rule.
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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September 1, 2015, 01:25 PM #23
Re: Speaker break-in
I was always very skeptical about break in.
So I had to do a test myself.
15 years ago or so, I bought a pair of Proacs new from a dealer. Instead of taking them home, I set them up at the dealers beside their floor model. Then we all (owner, various salesman and me) would compare the 2 speakers every 10 hours or so during this break in process. We did this for about 3 weeks and it took about 300 hours for us to think that there was NO difference between the floor models and my new speakers.
The new speakers got so far off from the sound of the floor models that we truly thought they were defective at about the 80-100 hour make. But we stuck with the plan and they truly got to sound the same.
Just an un scientific test that amazed all of us.
I've done the same on some amps also - same results except it took only about 75 hours to sound the same.Jock
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September 1, 2015, 04:11 PM #24
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September 2, 2015, 01:28 AM #25
Re: Speaker break-in
Bud
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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September 2, 2015, 11:08 AM #26
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Bud.......A shoulder shrug from Alon Wolf about the break-in period of Magico speakers? What the heck is that supposed to convey? This leaves me with the impression he's unwilling to be quoted about his position on break-in. It certainly keeps him out of the fray.
Dan
STUDIO - McIntosh C1000C/P, MC2301 (2), MR88, Aurender N10, Esoteric K-01X, Shunyata Sigma spdif digital coax, Sonos Connect, Stillpoints Ultra SS & Ultra Mini, PurePower 2000, Furutech Flux 50, Michell Gyro SE, Michell HR Power Supply, SME 309, Ortofon Cadenza Black, Sonus faber Amati Anniversario
LIVING ROOM - McIntosh C2300, MC75 (2), MR85, Magnum Dynalab 205 Signal Sleuth, Sonos Connect, Simaudio MOON Neo 260D-T, Schiit Audio Yggdrasil, Aurender N100H, Shunyata Sigma USB cable, Sony DAT 60ES, Nakamichi BX-300, Micro Seiki DD40 w/m505A tonearm, Ortofon Cadenza Blue, PS Audio P10, Furutech Flux 50, Stillpoints Ultra Mini, PMC EB1i, JL Audio f113
VINTAGE - McIntosh 4300V, McIntosh MA230, Tandberg 3011A tuner, Olive 04HD, JBL 4312A
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September 2, 2015, 11:21 AM #27My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
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September 2, 2015, 11:23 AM #28
Speaker break-in
The one thing we haven't discussed is the break in time for different driver materials: ceramic and diamond for example - how does their break in period differ? What about beryllium tweeters vs silk dome vs ribbon?
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
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September 2, 2015, 11:40 AM #29
Re: Speaker break-in
Bud
Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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September 2, 2015, 11:56 AM #30
Re: Speaker break-in
I've certainly had a gazillion pairs of speakers over the years, and I might be nuts, but I've always found playing vinyl (and the woofer vibrations created) really helps to break in speakers quickly.
Maybe we didn't worry about speaker break in back in the old days because we were spinning vinyl all the time!My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
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September 2, 2015, 12:02 PM #31
Re: Speaker break-in
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Main System - Rotel RCD-1572 / Rega P3 > Luxman 505UX Mark II > Fyne Audio F502SPs > Synergistic Cables
Secondary - OPPO 93 > VAC CLA 1 MKII Pre > Odyssey Stratos > Dynaudio Audience 82s > Tara Labs Cables
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September 2, 2015, 12:04 PM #32
Re: Speaker break-in
The dome or cone is not what's breaking in, it's the suspension. Drivers with more compliant suspensions will break in faster, ie. fabric surround will break in faster than rubber. But also, there are all different thickness and types of rubber, foam, fabric surrounds. The spider also can be multiple different materials of different thicknesses and compliance.
But to make a broad strokes statement, a more sensitive speaker will break in faster than a low sensitivity one.
Also ribbon tweeters don't have any suspension to break in. My experience is that ribbons are 100% or very near it right out of the box.
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September 2, 2015, 12:04 PM #33
Re: Speaker break-in
Bryan - I think they break in just in time for the next model/$44,000 upgrade.
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
https://suncoastaudio.com/
Phone: 941-932-0282
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September 2, 2015, 12:12 PM #34
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October 2, 2015, 02:53 PM #35
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Re: Speaker break-in
I just recently replaced my Totem Fire monitors, speakers I enjoyed for over four years. The dealer who sold me the Totems recommended I not play them really loud for at least 150 or so hours, saying that, if you play them continuously at lower volumes, they would "break in" faster, so I tuned in my favorite classical FM station and let it go for several days.
Though they were new to me at the time, I must say they DID sound less "restrained" after break in.
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October 2, 2015, 03:05 PM #36
Re: Speaker break-in
Congratulations on the Focals. Wonderful speakers. What color? Any photos?
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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NAD C 658 streamer.
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Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
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October 2, 2015, 03:10 PM #37
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Re: Speaker break-in
Joe,
I opted for the black lacquer color, beautifully made product! I ordered them soon after they first arrived in the U.S., had to wait about three months for them, very much worth the wait! My dealer says the wait for the Sopra No2's is up to six months! Waiting for a pair of JL Audio F113V2 sub woofers to arrive! Evan's Audio Electronics-2015-September.jpg
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October 2, 2015, 03:36 PM #38
Re: Speaker break-in
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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October 2, 2015, 03:37 PM #39
Re: Speaker break-in
Beautiful setup! Thank you.
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October 12, 2015, 02:32 PM #40
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My own real-world experience echoes The Professor's post very closely. I bought a brand new pair of ProAc Response 1 SCs back in 2004 (I'm still listening to them) and was deeply disappointed when I got them home and listened for the first time. ProAc recommends about 100 hours of break-in time for these, but getting impatient after maybe 50 hours or so, I took them back to the dealer to inquire what was wrong with them. We hooked them up in the dealer's listening room, and the verdict was that to him they sounded tight and still too new. So I took them home again, played them a LOT over the next week or so, and I remember the moment when I started to hear their real personality. It was quite a revelation, a real "aha!" moment. From then on, I've been a firm believer in speaker break-in time. I imagine different designs behave differently and there's probably a wide range of break-in periods for various speakers. 1000 hours seems like an awful lot, though. (I'm old enough to remember the days when new cars couldn't be driven over 50 mph for the first 500 miles for fear of cracking the engine mounts. Maybe a similar principle at work here?)
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October 12, 2015, 02:59 PM #41
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Cooper,
I had a similar experience with my Totem Fire monitors, brought them home and they just didn't seem to be as "dynamic" as the demo models I auditioned in the showroom, but after a few weeks, they seemed to "relax" some and were noticeably improved.
I feel that our great hobby is not absent the "snake oil" sellers. Before purchasing the Totem's I never heard about speaker break in times, but I figured, since that recommendation didn't require an additional purchase, it was genuine, and like you, I will take some time to do so every time I purchase new speakers. I am currently waiting for a pair of JL Audio F113V2 sub woofers, when they arrive and get "dialed in", I'll do the same patient break in that I did with my new Focal Sopra No2's, which now probably have about 300 hours on them and to me do sound better than they did when I first received them.
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October 13, 2015, 12:29 AM #42
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I bought a brand new Rel S-2 subwoofer last December and at first it didn't seem to integrate all that well with my ProAcs even after following Rel's detailed instructions about placement and tuning. Having learned my lesson about new speakers though, I knew I'd have to play it for some weeks before it found its true voice. It's now working in seamless concert with the ProAcs. Patience is definitely a virtue with new speakers. As for snake-oil, well that's been with us in one form or another since time immemorial, so we just have to make (hopefully) sensible decisions about these things.
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October 13, 2015, 09:12 AM #43
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Cooper,
Thanks for your valuable insight and input. I am prepared for a longer break in period on my new subs (when they arrive), as I won't be able to play them continuously at a low volume, like I did with my Focal's. I suspect the suspensions on the sub woofer drivers will take even longer to find their "happy place" then those on the main speaker woofers.
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