Shindo Aficionado - Help

**Paul** · July 28, 2014, 03:01 PM

Hi, I just finished the home demo with the Giscours and D'Yquem mono and I loved the combination but my wallets is not that heavy anymore after the speakers purchase so I decide to go with one by one.

Should I go with better pre or better amp ?

I am interesting in Masseto or Vosne-Romanee as pre and Cortese , Haut Brion or Montille CV391 Version as power amp ( Yes I will upgrade to D'yquem later )

any input would greatly appreciate.

**Petro85** · July 28, 2014, 03:24 PM

why dont you start with the more moderately priced shindo gear first than upgrade each one as the funds grow back into your bank account? if you had to get one id get the pre first and deal with your 275's for now and then get the amps later. the pre is your heart and soul.

**Paul** · July 28, 2014, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Petro85

why dont you start with the more moderately priced shindo gear first than upgrade each one as the funds grow back into your bank account? if you had to get one id get the pre first and deal with your 275's for now and then get the amps later. the pre is your heart and soul.

As most people recommend to go with better pre first but I tried these and found weird results.

Shindo Giscours + MC275 = Just Ok

McIntosh Pre + Shindo D'yquem = Better.

**Petro85** · July 28, 2014, 03:43 PM

well i think you have your answer. get the amps and live with the preamp.
i wonder how that setup would sound with an allnic phonostage?

**Cucumber_jones** · July 28, 2014, 03:51 PM

The Shindo D'yquem seem to be a fantastic option. If you begin down this road you will end up with Shindo pre and power at the end of the day. Mix and match will do for the short term. You will also want to run Shindo IC's and A23 speaker cables for the full system synergy. There is nothing better IMHO.

**Cucumber_jones** · July 28, 2014, 03:57 PM

I have no doubt that CDF will lead you in the right direction. However an email to Jonathan at Tone Imports with some questions may help you find a clear direction.

**Paul** · July 28, 2014, 04:24 PM

Did you hear the Montille 391 ?

**Bruce** · July 28, 2014, 04:25 PM

If I may butt in-- I personally would not mix current MacIntosh with Shindo.

Just a personal observation

Bruce

**Paul** · July 28, 2014, 04:35 PM

Bruce. I don't want to mix and match either but the funds are limited for now

**fjn04** · July 28, 2014, 04:52 PM

Have you chosen a speaker, what will you be driving? Cheers -Don

**audio.bill** · July 28, 2014, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by fjn04

Have you chosen a speaker, what will you be driving? Cheers -Don

I believe you can see that from the image in his posts, which is the Tannoy Westminster Royal Gold Reference. (Unless that has changed again!!!)

**Paul** · July 28, 2014, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by fjn04

Have you chosen a speaker, what will you be driving? Cheers -Don

Originally Posted by audio.bill

I believe you can see that from the image in his posts, which is the Tannoy Westminster Royal Gold Reference. (Unless that has changed again!!!)

Don...Yes The Tannoy Westminster Royal GR.

Bill. Its not going anywhere

**Bruce** · July 28, 2014, 05:43 PM

Hmmm- well looking at your setup--I'd go for the Tenors anyway rather than MacIntosh (Current versions anyway also over the Allnics I spied in the Mix.

Good Luck

Bruce

**Jerome W** · July 28, 2014, 05:45 PM

I never tried the Giscours with the 275 but Giscours + 225 is pure heaven.
McIntosh C1000P + CCQs was smoked by Giscours + CCQs.

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**Paul** · July 28, 2014, 05:48 PM

Jerome is here

I was waiting for you to chime in.

Do you think VR is good pre as well ? I might go with that and go with little cheaper amps. such as courtese or Montille 391( Not 6V6 )

**Paul** · July 28, 2014, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Cucumber_jones

The Shindo D'yquem seem to be a fantastic option. If you begin down this road you will end up with Shindo pre and power at the end of the day. Mix and match will do for the short term. You will also want to run Shindo IC's and A23 speaker cables for the full system synergy. There is nothing better IMHO.

Chris. Which version of Montille do you own ?

**Katoomer** · July 28, 2014, 06:23 PM

I think going either way will be fine because once you get 1 pc. of Shindo it has away of making you find the funds to do the complete Shindo setup. Before the Shindo I ran a pair of MC275's with a C2200 into LaScala IIs and that combo was amazing. But switching to Shindo was a huge leap forward.

**Cucumber_jones** · July 28, 2014, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

Chris. Which version of Montille do you own ?

6v6 and I love it.

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**Paul** · July 28, 2014, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Cucumber_jones

6v6 and I love it.

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Have you had a chance to compare with 391 version ? If so what is the main difference on sounds ? Thanks

**Cucumber_jones** · July 28, 2014, 09:20 PM

Sorry I have not had a chance.

**fjn04** · July 28, 2014, 10:03 PM

So Westminister Royal GR is 8ohm, not dropping below 5ohm! How did the
DYQ's do with them?

**Paul** · July 28, 2014, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by fjn04

So Westminister Royal GR is 8ohm, not dropping below 5ohm! How did the
DYQ's do with them?

Excellent match IMO.

I just don't have enough fund to buy whole set. Well I just can't.

that beautiful sounds I remember by my heart. Not by ears

**fjn04** · July 29, 2014, 12:29 AM

It was great you were given the opportunity to try the combo. CDF is an excellent dealer.
Perhaps your speaker likes a bit more power than the Cortese or CV391. If you could stretch
for the amps now, it may be best in your case. Danny is extremely helpful, and I'm sure he
can explain how the Shindo amps differ sonically.

I am currently using a Monbrison with Dy'Quems, and it's a great combination. Then when the
time is right, the V/R and Giscours will be there….

**KeithR** · July 29, 2014, 12:44 AM

The Shindo dealers i know all offer full tradein policies. This encourages a slow development over time which is good.

Buy a Masseto and amp (try several of the stereos) and start there- you may never need more. The amps are diff tastes, not necessarily better or worse.

Btw, Is there an Audion dealer near you?

**Paul** · July 29, 2014, 12:46 AM

Cool. The D'Yquem's had no problem to drive my Westies. We couldn't even turn more than 8 oclock position. I thought the CV 391 has more power at 20 watts. Yes I do understand the difference of 300B .

Graeme and Jeniffer came over to my house and yes they were great help and very knowledgeable ppl as well.

What kind of speakers do you have ?

**Paul** · July 29, 2014, 12:47 AM

No. Only one dealer in 5 hours away.
Are they share the same house sounds on amp though ?

**Jerome W** · July 29, 2014, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

Jerome is here

I was waiting for you to chime in.

Do you think VR is good pre as well ? I might go with that and go with little cheaper amps. such as courtese or Montille 391( Not 6V6 )

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**Jerome W** · July 29, 2014, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

Jerome is here

I was waiting for you to chime in.

Do you think VR is good pre as well ? I might go with that and go with little cheaper amps. such as courtese or Montille 391( Not 6V6 )

Hi Paul,

I did not try the VR. I went straight to the Giscours so no more upgrade since the Petrus is out of budget for me.

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**Paul** · July 29, 2014, 10:34 AM

Thanks Jerome.

**Jerome W** · July 29, 2014, 01:00 PM

Paul, reading the Stereophile review of Art Dudley of the VR, it is obvious that the VR is a terrific preamp.

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**KeithR** · July 29, 2014, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by BlueMcIntosh

No. Only one dealer in 5 hours away.
Are they share the same house sounds on amp though ?

They make a great PP 300B and 845 amplifier. Also at a lower price that may interest you. The other company that makes great SET (and is Canadian, so local) is Wyetech Labs- I'd def hunt one of those out and hear it as well. The Topaz is supposed to be wonderful.

In general, Shindo and LM Audio are on on the more vintage side of the spectrum whereas Audion and Melody are a bit more modern sounding on the other. Cary is on the very warm side, while KR Audio is on the cool (and some say SS) side. It would be cool to find out which you prefer and the best match for the Tannoys.

Enjoy the journey,

KeithR

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