Munich Show 2015

**Perfect Sense** · May 21, 2015, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Audiophon

The Perfect 8 "The Point" with Ypsilon electronics:
This was one of my top 3 systems: a perfect soundstage, wide and deep paired with sharp and precise imaging, sweet hights and well articulated mids. I went back twice into the room to listen to this nearly perfect system. I'm sure that the fabulous Ypsilon electronics contributed well to this performance.

I'm biased, but I totally agree with you. Definitely a top 3 candidate competing with Living Voice/Kondo, Kaiser/Engstrom & Engstrom and Rockport/Absolare.

**Audiophon** · May 21, 2015, 06:22 AM

I did not hear the Kaiser and Rockport presentations but I totally agree concerning the Living Voice/Kondo setup. Nothing wrong, nothing stood out negatively and the presentation was just musical and involving and the built quality is just outstanding! I don't know the total price of the setup but considering that just the amps are 150.000 €, the total value of the system will easily exceed the 500.000 € ... I'm happy for the guys beeing able to afford it!

P.S. if anybody has seen the pics of the room: the big wodden cupboard on the left behind the speaker is actually a subwoofer

**Audiophon** · May 21, 2015, 06:39 AM

From the Living Voice homepage on the Vox Olympian:

Made exclusively by hand in England, each pair of cabinets takes 5 skilled artisans 2,000 man hours to build; 1,400 hours for the cabinets alone and 600 hours for the bronze, silver and gold work – executed with absolute attention to detail.

**wizard** · May 22, 2015, 02:26 AM

**wizard** · May 22, 2015, 06:27 AM

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**Mike** · May 22, 2015, 06:52 AM

Wizard - do you know if the Zellaton model below these are also made of the new indestructible material?

**socfan12** · May 22, 2015, 07:57 AM

Just caught up with this thread. I think wizard said these Zellatons were made of the indestructible drivers.

**a.wayne** · May 22, 2015, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by wizard

Interesting numbers Wizard, any on Business done or accredited to the trade show, I would imagine this to be a very expensive show for exhibitors, especially those out of Germany and the Euro zone...

Regards.

**a.wayne** · May 22, 2015, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by wizard

Anyone know What speakers wires are being used ...?

**wizard** · May 22, 2015, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Wizard - do you know if the Zellaton model below these are also made of the new indestructible material?

Yes all the drivers they used are revised.
Also the widebander driver used in SR-1.

Cables and cleaner boxes are from Schnerzinger.

Reference MK II don't need that much power to deliver great sound, the 50 watt Kondo Kagura is more than enough.

**Mike** · May 22, 2015, 11:47 AM

Did anyone hear the Gauder Akustik Berlina RC7 Mk2 at Munich? Would love some comments.

**Audiophon** · May 22, 2015, 01:18 PM

Hi Mike,

I did. I went 3 times into the Vitus room to listen to them. I might be biased (sure I am) as I own the original MK I version with the diamond tweeter (also the Gauder in the Vitus room had the diamond tweeter), but I loved what I heard.

Let me start saying that I was not very much enthusiastic about what I heard in the Gauder/AVM room. The played the big Berlina RC 9 with the diamond tweeter and midrange with the top-of-the range AVM electronics at high levels but I did could not really enjoy what I heard. The sound was hard (what maybe someone would describe as the typical sound of ceramic speakers) an I felt that there was too much kick-bass and the bass was poorly integrated in the overall sound.

Another story was the Berlina RC 7 in the Vitus room: the system gave a deep and realistically big soundstage with very precise imaging. I loved the sweet and non-fatiguing heights with very good resolution. Voices were put stable in the room and the speakers completely disappeared. The bass was deep and completely filled the room.

With my audiophile friends we asked to play our demo CD with Audiomachines's Blood and Stone remix version (normally not my cup of tea, but its a good demo track for dynamics and bass capabilities). We heard the song with peaks of 111 db without having the sensation of stressing our ears as the sound always remained clear (it was nice to see how the room was packed with people in 3 minutes).

With other systems on the show we could not listen to more than 95 db without strain.

Personally I think that the Gauder speakers sound best with powerful tubes or class A, zero-feedback amps - like the Vitus. I'm convinced that the Vitus electronics had a big impact on the overall system performance.

**Mike** · May 22, 2015, 01:22 PM

Thank you Audiophon. Appreciate the comments! The comment about non fatiguing highs REALLY caught my attention. Can you describe the bass?

Also, since you already own the RC7's....what do you feel about the differences between the Mark 1 and Mark 2?

**Audiophon** · May 22, 2015, 01:22 PM

There might be some words from Jonathan Valin on the Gauder/Vitus room of what I heard

**Audiophon** · May 22, 2015, 01:33 PM

The bass of the RC 7 in the room was powerful and sufficiently deep (I measured a flat response down to 30 hz). Gauder is using a subsonic filter in the RC7 so don't expect to hear frequencies below 25 hz. I understand that this could be an issue for somebody. For me it is not as my listening room is not large enough to cope with those frequencies and only very few instruments will ever go below 30 hz.

What was really astonishing was the sheer physical impact of the bass without beeing bloated or over present - and this comment is not just due to the 3 small bass drivers per speaker.

**Audiophon** · May 22, 2015, 01:49 PM

Honestly I cannot comment on the differences of the two versions as I could not hear them side by side. Of what Dr. Gauder told me on the fair, the changes are related to a completely new crossover, some changes in the inner damping and new binding posts. The crossover beeing obviously the main change. They will offer the upgrade to the current owners for 3200 euro.

Reportedly the changes improved not by a small margin the soundstaging and the bass which should have become more weight while reducing the the former small bass-peak at 50 hz.

**Mike** · May 22, 2015, 01:51 PM

Thank you Audiophon for your comments. Would you consider your speakers tube friendly? They are definitely Pass friendly I see!

**Audiophon** · May 22, 2015, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Thank you Audiophon for your comments. Would you consider your speakers tube friendly? They are definitely Pass friendly I see!

Dr. Gauder and my dealer actually prefer the Berlina (also the big RC 11) with tubes. My dealer has developed with two engineers a tube amp and both Dr. Gauder and he love the combination. (link:Westend; the amp became the reference tube amp of the German Audio magazin).

Living in Italy I unfortunately could not yet hear the combination, but my dealer is driving with that amp even the big RC11.

**Audiophon** · May 22, 2015, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

They are definitely Pass friendly I see!

Yes they are! 5 Years ago when I still had the smaller Gauder Akustik Cassianos, I changed from the Parasound Halo JC1 to my current Pass and they matched much better to the Gauder. The bass was better integrated and seemed to be deeper. At the same time the hights were sweeter and had a better resolution.

**Audiophon** · May 22, 2015, 02:09 PM

..sorry double post!

**Mike** · May 22, 2015, 02:19 PM

Thank you Audiophon. Appreciate your insight. I hope to get to hear the 7 mk2's soon.

**Bodhi** · May 22, 2015, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Audiophon

I'm convinced that the Vitus electronics had a big impact on the overall system performance.

**wizard** · May 23, 2015, 07:33 AM

**wizard** · May 23, 2015, 07:33 AM

FMA 1811 - it uses 12 pairs of the mil-spec super fast and very powerful FM 17420 bipolar output transistors.
1 pair of 17420 are powerful enough to drive the D'Agostino Momentum Stereo or CH A1.....

**Bodhi** · May 23, 2015, 08:50 AM

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**Mike** · May 23, 2015, 08:55 AM

David, nice indeed. Have you heard the Gauder speakers?

**Bodhi** · May 23, 2015, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

David, nice indeed. Have you heard the Gauder speakers?

Mike, no I haven't had the pleasure. Though i'm familiar with Accuton ceramic drivers as I used to own a pair of Marten Coltrane Alto's & have heard various Marten, Avalon & EA speakers. The Accutons are very fast & sound like good stators, but with the dynamics of a dynamic speaker. The latest 'cell concept' drivers take it a step further and share a common acoustic center, allowing proper time alignment on a vertical plane. The Gauder speakers have amazing build quality & design finesse. I am impressed!

**wizard** · May 23, 2015, 11:49 AM

**Mike** · May 23, 2015, 11:55 AM

How were the Marten Coltrane 3's?

**MusicDirector** · May 23, 2015, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by wizard

Oh, now see, here we go. I'm attracted to anything that even slightly looks ancient Egyptian influenced. I normally don't spend a micro-second looking at gear I will never be able to afford or anything. However, if I saw something like this I would have to check it out anyway. I would not have much choice, something like that would be a magnet to me.

**Audiophon** · May 24, 2015, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

Thank you Audiophon. Appreciate your insight. I hope to get to hear the 7 mk2's soon.

This is what Jason Victor Serinus of Stereophile reports on the RC7. I can confirm his impression on the Gauder RC9 in the Gauder/AVM room:

"What I can tell you, however, is that the Gauder Akustik RC7 Mk.II loudspeakers were sounding much better than in the company's own room, and exhibited great control on the loud, demanding dance music that served to draw my four days at High End 2015 to a close."

**wizard** · May 24, 2015, 05:24 AM

FMA 268 - one of the absolute best preamps....

**wizard** · May 24, 2015, 03:37 PM

**Myles B. Astor** · May 25, 2015, 08:26 PM

**MikeCh** · May 25, 2015, 08:44 PM

Wizard,

Did you get a chance to see or listen to the new Canton Reference K series loudspeakers?

**a.wayne** · May 26, 2015, 12:12 AM

Thanks for posting Myles,

Peter, love the pairing , great review, enjoyed the video's tremendously, fantastic shirt ...

Regards.

**Audiophon** · May 26, 2015, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Mike

I hope to get to hear the 7 mk2's soon.

In the latest edition of the German hifi-magazin "Audio" they received an outstanding review. The reviewer states that the best sonic results were received with tube amplifers and the T&A high voltage amplifers (I guess you dirtsibute them correct

)?

**Mike** · May 26, 2015, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Audiophon

In the latest edition of the German hifi-magazin "Audio" they received an outstanding review. The reviewer states that the best sonic results were received with tube amplifers and the T&A high voltage amplifers (I guess you dirtsibute them correct

)?

That's great to hear. Thank you. I must check them out.

Yes, I do carry T+A....great product, amazing build quality...just not a lot of recognition over here...yet.

**Bodhi** · May 27, 2015, 07:59 AM

Thanks for posting that video Myles. Peter's videos are always interesting, well edited & good fun. I think i'm going to call Peter's wife one of the great ladies of high end audio!

**Bodhi** · May 27, 2015, 08:06 AM

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**Mike** · May 27, 2015, 08:07 AM

I agree with David. Peter, your wife did a wonderful job on the video.

**wizard** · June 23, 2015, 09:29 AM

**wizard** · June 23, 2015, 09:29 AM

**Geardaddy** · July 2, 2015, 04:45 AM

Wizard, how was the CAD room?

**MarinJim** · September 13, 2015, 04:20 PM

Wizard- thanks for all the pics and comments. I would love to hear Venture speakers with FMA electronics.

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