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Thread: Magico S5 update
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February 8, 2015, 12:59 PM #51Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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February 8, 2015, 01:30 PM #52
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February 8, 2015, 01:52 PM #53
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February 8, 2015, 02:07 PM #54
Re: Magico S5 update
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February 8, 2015, 06:32 PM #55Jock
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February 12, 2015, 06:19 AM #56
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New Magico vid! No affiliation or anything with the dealer just thought it was drool worthy
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February 12, 2015, 08:07 AM #57
Re: Magico S5 update
Thanks for sharing. VAC was a great pairing when I had my S5's. Vitus/Pass were still my fav though.
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February 12, 2015, 08:20 AM #58
Re: Magico S5 update
Mike, what made you move on from the S5s? I think Ive read most of whats in the Magico section but don't recall reading anything about the change. If there is a relevant thread please point me to it and I'll get out of your hair.
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February 12, 2015, 08:45 AM #59
Magico S5 update
I have tremendous respect for Magico and everything the company has accomplished. I believe Magico, Focal, Wilson and Raidho are all at the top of their games. I truly would own the M Projects in a second, and still think about a pair of S3's or S1's - and still have a soft spot for Q1's, but to be honest, for me, they lacked soul - or as my friend Paul says, Audiophile sound vs Music.
I just couldn't get emotionally into the music. I would listen for 45 minutes or so, and meh, nothing. I remember having this discussion with Jock (The Professor) at the time and he told me he felt the same way about his Q1's.....so I was glad it wasn't just me. But I blame the lack of synergy with my amps more than the speakers.
To be perfectly fair, if I had tried CJ, Pass or Vitus on them, it could have been a completely different story. I tried McIntosh, D'Agostino, VAC and several others and just didn't find the right synergy for me.
Synergy is so important. When I got my second pair of Sonus Faber Stradivari's, I had high hopes that they would pair well with my VAC amps. Well, the combo was abysmal. It would have sent most audiophiles running for the hills. Even my friend Jeff, the biggest VAC fan you ever met, had to admit it was not good. But VAC on Focal, Magico, etc. is wonderful. Synergy as we all know is so important. If I had had my Pass XS amps with my S5's, the combo would have likely been wonderful.
So at the end of the day, having heard the Pass/Vitus combos with Magico many times, I am sure Pass or Vitus would have resulted in a completely different outcome. In fact, when I first heard the S5's, it was with the big Vitus stereo Class A amp and I listened for two hours and didn't want to leave. I was completely blown away and knew I had to buy the S5's. Also, I've since heard the S5's with Pass xa160.5's and xa160.8's and again, wow moments.
I also would love to hear Magico with a Devialet 400 (SAM). Mark Jones was really impressed with this combo.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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February 12, 2015, 05:47 PM #60
Re: Magico S5 update
The info is much appreciated. Thanks Mike.
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February 12, 2015, 08:09 PM #61
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February 12, 2015, 08:13 PM #62
Re: Magico S5 update
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February 12, 2015, 08:22 PM #63
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February 12, 2015, 08:25 PM #64
Re: Magico S5 update
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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February 12, 2015, 08:26 PM #65Bud
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February 12, 2015, 08:27 PM #66
Re: Magico S5 update
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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February 12, 2015, 08:37 PM #67
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I have no idea. He is just reading more into the thread than what is there. Although after getting them both fixed they are working great. It is easy to speculate that if I also damaged the left cross-over (cracked resistor) at the same time as toasting the right then that means for almost 4 months the left was not working at 100%. On the other hand, it is also possible that while shipping from CA to FL something could have happened that weakened the resistor, or it is possible that could have happened while being shipped from FL to CA. Then when I had the incident, it could have exacerbated the issue, but it is all speculation
Anyway, who cares. They are working great now, and that is all that matters.Bud
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February 12, 2015, 08:39 PM #68
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Agreed! I'm glad you're rocking and rolling.
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February 13, 2015, 02:53 AM #69
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Vitus with S5 ...... you are in front row in concert .
Paul
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September 11, 2015, 11:08 PM #70
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September 12, 2015, 01:24 AM #71My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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September 12, 2015, 04:53 AM #72
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Thanks for reviving this thread. It brings back fond memories. Along the update line, the S5s are working, and sounding, great. A few weeks ago I was able to hear the new S7 along with the S5, and while the S7 was obviously better, the S5 is very close if not in direct comparison.
Bud
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September 12, 2015, 08:52 AM #73
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I recently sold my S5's to a local audiophile who had asked if he could hear them first. So I pushed back my M-Projects and moved the S5's into their spot and listened for a while. This was the first time I had heard them properly (I had an electrical problem that was only solved after I upgraded to M-Pros). Man they rocked.
When the buyer came over to listen, he brought his own source (transport & DAC) and played some Boz Scaggs, Norah Jones, Allison Krauss and the sound was melt-in-your-seat beautiful.
The S5 really is a great speaker.Speakers: Magico M-Project w/MPods
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September 12, 2015, 10:06 AM #74
Re: Magico S5 update
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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September 12, 2015, 10:19 AM #75
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Is it? Is the bar moving that much and that quickly? I really like Magico but it's one of those brands that I won't purchase again simply because I'm looking for a greater value for my purchase. By that I don't mean sound quality for the dollar (a measure by which Magico at last equals some of the best speakers I've heard), but rather to buy something less consumable. Less disposable. Less subject to upgrades. This measure is different for each of us obviously, but if I invest $30,000+ in a speaker I want to be satisfied for a long (long long) time and not be worrying about the new models and revisions with trickle down technologies every 1 or 2 years.
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September 12, 2015, 10:51 AM #76
Magico S5 update
Kev - you make a good point and if you have found a speaker that does it for you, that's great. I think they're are two types of buyers: one's who shop for a good sounding, involving speaker - such as Harbeth for example and are quite content. Then there is the other group who is fascinated with the latest and greatest in speaker technology: carbon fiber this, diamond that, ceramic this and so on. That's typically a buyer who is fascinated with the specs and measurements, but to be fair, also the advancement of modern sounding speakers.
There are those companies that are happy every 5 years or so to tweak the old BBC standard and there are those companies flush with R&D and bright young engineers pushing the envelope.
No right or wrong, just different choices and it's nice for us to have options.My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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September 12, 2015, 11:23 AM #77
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That's where buying a used pair of Magicos can be a great deal and long term value. I've got a pair of Mini IIs that sound as good as the day I bought them. They will stay in my system until Magico designs a new Mini with the M Project technology trickled down. It may never happen, and I may not be able to afford it, but imagine a Mini with the new tweeter and midrange enclosure, curved carbon sides in a beautiful package like the Mini II.
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September 12, 2015, 11:46 AM #78
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September 12, 2015, 12:05 PM #79My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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September 12, 2015, 02:29 PM #80
Re: Magico S5 update
Hey Kev,
I think it all comes down to value of the upgrade to the potential buyer. If the upgrade was a driver upgrade, or crossover update, and I auditioned and heard it and it was meh, totally agree with you. I wouldn't update for the sake of updating. But the S7 over the S5 has new drivers, new crossover, new enclosure for the midrange, and a a new coupling system. I'm sure I'm missing something, too. But after hearing the S7 side-by-side with the S5, it is not subtle, the S7 is a significant upgrade over the S5. To my ears, they are definitely worth it. Others may not agree of course. I certainly appreciate the advancements Magico has been making. I can hear it in each new speaker I hear from them.
Allen
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September 12, 2015, 02:43 PM #81
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This is partly why I am selling my S5 speakers on Audiogon now. They are amazing and even my brother who owns the bigger Maggies (I am buying 20.7s) thinks I am nuts selling the S5s after hearing them. He said he had not heard better bass on a speaker at any price - and he just auditioned the 6 figure Wilson speakers.
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September 12, 2015, 07:38 PM #82
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Re: Magico S5 update
Not sure I follow the logic, you rather buy a “lesser” product (from performance/technology stand point), just so it will stay “lesser” for a longer time, then buy the “best” now, knowing that it will not stay the “best”, but still be very good, for a long time...
BTW, I don’t see any of the “lesser” products keep their value better in the used market. In fact, one can argue that Magico value is typically higher on the used market
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September 12, 2015, 07:50 PM #83
Magico S5 update
Is this addressed to my post? If so, to the point about value, I tried to express that my criticism in this regard was more of a personal, subjective, view. I simply find it somewhat maddening that a new benchmark is purportedly achieved every 12-15 months thus rendering a recent SOTA purchase somewhat less satisfying. Again, from my perspective.
To you first point, that's not at all what I tried to convey. I'd rather not buy from a company that engages in the constant update practice. I guess at the heart of that is my suspicion that a new benchmark in sonic reproduction is not achieved every 12-15 months. Funny. That should totally obviate the negative feelings raised in my first paragraph. But it doesn't. Funny.
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September 12, 2015, 07:55 PM #84
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September 12, 2015, 08:08 PM #86
Re: Magico S5 update
Just to set the record straight, the S7 is a new speaker in a different price range than the S5. The S5 has been around for several years (around 4 now?), as have the S3 and S1. In fact, the only Magico model was recently updated is the Q7. That was because of the technology, especially the tweeter, developed for the M-Project. Alon couldn't let their SOTA speaker not include the best Magico had to offer. So in reality, there hasn't been a lot of changes in the S or Q-Magico line.
I am though curious which companies nowadays update equipment like we change underwear? Years ago that was the case for say ARC; not so any more. My cj ART underwent three updates in the 12 years I owned it. Is that too much? I don't think an update after 3 or 4 years is out of the question. How often do you change your computer?Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
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September 12, 2015, 08:09 PM #87
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I agree, it is frustrating to know that what you just bought as "the best" is no longer the case. But again, it is a physiological issue, as you stated yourself the "new" thing is typically only marginally better, certainly no a real reason to rush and sell what you have, or feel bad about it.
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September 12, 2015, 08:14 PM #88
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My last MacBook made it from 2007-2015, but I really don't look at $2000 computers and $50,000 speakers as comparable. ARC was rolling revisions and new models in their preamps pretty regularly 3 or so years ago. In any event, my general impression is that Magico had put out a lot of product in the past decade.
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September 12, 2015, 09:06 PM #89
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ARC regularly updating just three years ago? Guess I missed it or don't consider a cap upgrade an update. It was an optional update. Regular was an ARC 6A/B/C/D/E/?
I also think the comment ignores how products/research happen. You can always do something else in the course of designing a product but somewhere along the line a designer has to draw the line and bring the product to market. But what happens if something becomes available material wise or something the designer wanted to originally incorporate into the product but it broke the bank then now becomes cost effective to do? Should the designer ignore that? What if something that was developed for a more expensive product can be incorporated into other products in the manufacturers line?
But let's get back to the Magico. Where is the update there? Nor does the S7 make the S5 any worse than say an Alexia makes a Sasha sound worse. Both are really great speakers. I still loved my S5s when I came home.Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
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September 12, 2015, 09:21 PM #90
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Easy tiger. I said it was my impression that Magico released a lot of product over the last decade. That is, my impression as an audio consumer generally aware of the comings and goings of major audio producers. Not the detailed knowledge of someone who devotes a lot of their personal and professional time to discussing the minute details of various speakers. I'm fully prepared to concede that, but I'm also fully willing to concede that you care more. Again, this is my impression as a consumer. For me the distance (in time) between the original mini and the V2, for example, to their current lineup does not seem so vast. But in that time the lineup has changed drastically.
As a guy who would be interested in buying a really good product, and who would be willing to spend what the average audio consumer would consider to be an insane amount of money, it's a somewhat disappointing experience to think that the company found it necessary to radically revamp their design many times since you purchased their product. To tie this back to why I brought it up originally, has the line really moved that much in that amount of time?
Maybe it speaks to exactly the point that Mike raised. Some guys are into tracking, discussing, experiencing, living, breathing tweeter changes. That's cool. I'm not. It's simply not a very interesting exercise to me and is not the reason I bought into the hobby.
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September 12, 2015, 09:51 PM #91
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This is an interesting side track. I like that Magico keeps innovating every year or so. It means they aren't coasting on past ideas, but trying to improve them. I hope they soon provide an S5 upgrade. Even if I don't get it I will still enjoy my S5s.
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September 12, 2015, 10:18 PM #92
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Name one company, worth naming, that does not thrives to improve its products, a common must in commerce today. And why would you want to buy anything form a company that does not innovate? Innovation is a culture, a stagnant company cant make good products. Funny that instead of embracing and supporting innovations in this, somewhat anachronistic, field of high-end audio, you complain about it.
And, just to align your “impressions” with reality, the Mini was introduced in 2004, that is 11 years now and Magico don't “revamp” their designs, they simply improved on it.
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Duplicate, ignore
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September 12, 2015, 10:40 PM #94
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I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to convey. At least misrepresenting by your use of the word "complain." I'm not complaining. I think I've been fairly clear that I fully get that other guys appreciate this part of the hobby. I understand, though, that audio forums are adversarial by nature, so I'll attempt to address your question about companies "worth naming" while recognizing that the use of the phrase telegraphs the fact that banging head on wall is about to commence. Klipsch has produced a heritage line with minor revisions over, I don't know, 50 years. What are they on now, version 3 of basically the same speakers over that time. To stick specifically to Magico, I was simply referring to what I perceived to be a high volume of new products, the vastly different styles of these speakers, and the fact that each was trumpeted as a new benchmark of some sort.
To be clear, I'm not anti-innovation. I'm simply suspicious that the bar continues to be reset in a manner that justifies the investment from a purchaser of the last generation of top of the line gear. I don't see the utility in engaging in that process as a consumer. It doesn't strike me as a particularly satisfying enterprise. Instead, it seems like a never ending keeping up with the Joneses affair that is destined to be more expensive than it is worth to me. I'm happier with products that were outdated years ago, yet still considered state of the *art* in their own way. In stating that I realize (and I feel that is important to provide context to my opinion) that I consider this hobby, my version of it anyway, to be a largely subjective pursuit. That also accounts for probably much of my dissatisfaction with the Magico way.
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September 12, 2015, 10:58 PM #95
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I agree with your idea, but disagree.
The problem, to me, is that speaker technology is still in its infancy, so it doesn't take much to be an improvement. There will always be something better, so enjoy what you have.Bud
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September 12, 2015, 11:06 PM #96
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I just looked at Klipsch web site, and I am not sure it was a good example (I guess you missed the many other models they introduced over the years). There are probably over a 100 current different models they sell (and that is in their “home” collection only). I don’t think Klipsch could have survived on one model alone all these years.
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September 12, 2015, 11:25 PM #97
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I guess I was less interested in "winning" than providing an illustration of speakers that survive (survive!) relatively unchanged. I didn't "miss" it, but that was clever. Ish. I think that the Heritage market is a bit different than the market for the other products. The point about survivability is interesting though, isn't it? Sometimes you just have to attract everyone's attention again.
To your point, though, (I think), it is rather difficult to find examples of companies that do not offer new products. I think that is a bit afield from my point, but I can nevertheless agree. That seems important. Or maybe it removes the sport? From my vantage point, I see a bit of a difference between the product releases of companies like Harbeth, Spendor, Quad, Audio Note, Shindo, Air Tight (not limiting to speakers but raised for the compatibility of approach) to that of Magico. New products, yes? At the rate of Magico and with such drastic changes from one design to the next. It doesn't seem so to me. Am I wrong? Again, that's my observation. Maybe I missed it. Maybe no one can survive if they make a speaker that everyone decides to enjoy and keep. Gosh. That would be awful. If we all had speakers we enjoyed enough to keep for a while. What was the period referenced above? 11 years. Dang. What if we enjoyed and kept our 30-60,000 speakers for 11 whole years. That would be awful. For speaker manufacturers anyway. Just thinking out loud here....there has got to be a better way for forum owners and operators to minimize the valuable service they are providing.
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September 12, 2015, 11:38 PM #98
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I don't feel like I am going to a lesser product just different (Maggie 20.7) that does a few things better (that I miss) and a few things not as well. The S5s are great but I am ready for a change and miss the Magnepan wall of sound which I had at tender age of 14. My comment about Magico launching new products frequently is related to ease of letting them go - less loyal. If I want to go back I can and in 3 years there will probably be three new iterations. Part of the issue is value is lost if a company too frequently comes out with a new product cannibalizing existing. Resale value goes down - not so easy to sellS5 now ....anyone want to argue that point? Compare to Magnepan - size of improvement and duration of life cycle before being replaced. It's one thing to do rapid deployment of innovations with consumer goods (eg toothpaste or laundry detergent) - different scenario on $20-150k speakers. It impacts brand loyalty especially if rapid launches are done without upgrade path. At this level of performance and price point there are not truly lesser products just different as they are all great. So yes I will factor in obsolescence when choosing components. For resale value if for no other reason.
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Well, I think that you are wrong, but that is just me. I don’t see any “drastic changes” in Magico products, I suppose you can say that going form wood/alum to alum only was a big change, but one can argue that it was a natural progression. Besides, that was 6 or so years ago. The rest is better this or better that, but core technology and materials are basically the same.
In regards to “rapid launches”, I just counted Magico line-up. I see 2 very clear hierarchy one of the S line and the other is the Q. I counted 14 models, and that includes the odd ones (Ult, and MPro). Funny enough, Wilson has the same amount of products. Focal over 30 (!!) in 6 different series, and Sonus Faber has 22 models, none existed 10 years ago (which is the time Magico has been around). Hard to argue with feeling so I am not trying to change what you feel, I just don’t see where you are coming from.
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September 13, 2015, 09:21 AM #100
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I can see that. I'm not specifically referring to the total number of models produced by the company, but rather the perspective of the buyer who "buys into" a high end product. If you bought a higher tier Focal or Wilson 11 years ago, there is a very good chance that your speaker still exists in the product lineup. Perhaps with changes. What about Magico? How did they treat the v3 (2007ish)? How about you M5 owners that bought in after the 2009 TAS review? 6 years later the Magico SOTA landscape is dramatically different. Is there lasting value in that $89,000 purchase? There would not be for me and I wouldn't find much comfort in calling it a natural evolution. A brief review of past sales of M5 shows many 20k listings and one as low as 16.5. Resale value isn't everything, of course, but it's certainly a reflection that your bleeding edge speakers bled out.
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